JD 2210 or 4000 series?

[Hypernix]

countryacres,

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I too considered a JD 2210 or 4110 , both the same in size as far as I can see but found out that the 2210 athough 23hp vs 20 hp on the 4110 )</font>

The 2210 is a SubCUT while the 4110 is a CUT. The 4110 has a larger frame, more weight and bigger tires (which gives a heck of a good ride when mowing the lawn! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif). The engine used in the 2210 and the 4110 is exactly the same engine, just rated at different RPM: 2600 for the 4110 and higher for the 2210!

Hypernix /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[DrRod]

Yeah -- what is the deal with that horsepower rating thing. The smaller 2210 is rated at 23HP while the larger 4110 is at 20HP? Is it just that they set the rating at different RPMs or is there more to it? My dealer sort of winced and said "wellllll - HP numbers in tractors don't mean much." /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Would like to hear what others think about this.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

I guess I need a cutnpaste answer for this...

SubCUTS are all being rated at a higher engine speed than CUTs. The same seems to true no matter what brand. This could be because they are used primamrily for mowing and that is the speed they will be used at. It could be because they compete more closely with gas LG nmachines which all seem to have overblown Hp ratings. It could be because the other subCUT brands are doing it...

 

[countryacres]

I am really leaning toward the 4110 and plan on a purchase soon , I will use it mostly for mowing but also use the fel and would like to get a BH down the road ,I just want to make sure this tractor has enough power to dig and also what size bucket do I get? I have mostly clay where I live although I plan on using it other places. Thanks

 

[Hypernix]

countryacres,

I think you will love the 4110! It is truly a great small CUT.

The BH that JD offers for the 4110 is the 46. It's a small backhoe so you must take your time when using it. I used mine over the summer to remove several stump and was very pleased with the results. The 46 is little "jerky" at RPM higher than 2000 so you have to feater those controls if you don't want to shake yourself and the tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Digging power should not be a problem, I often lift the back of the tractor when I'm not quite handling it right. A backhoe has a much bigger learning curve than a FEL IMHO to get it to work well.
I got the 16" bucket with mine. Others here have been saying that the 9' bucket sometimes is hard to empty (dirt gets clogged up in there).

Hypernix /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( what size bucket do I get? I have mostly clay where I live although I plan on using it other places. Thanks )</font>

I have a 4110 with a 46 BH. My area is clay also, and I have been very happy with the combination. I have the 12" bucket which seems to have worked out well. It's large enough to dig a hole, but also narrow enough to dig a trench. It works well for digging out stumps too. I was talked out of getting the small bucket by the combined wisdom of TBN and they steered me right for my uses.

Cliff

 

[countryacres]

Hey thanks for the advice on the 4110 and bucket size guys , it was helpful info.

 

[RalphVa]

The sub CUT and CUT generalizations don't apply. The 4110 is only 150 # heavier than a 2210, which is the same weight as a 4010. The 4010 engine is rated at a higher rpm than the 2210.

The 4110 is a good machine if you need backhoe capability in a smaller (but bigger than BX) machine.

Ralph

 

[Hypernix]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The sub CUT and CUT generalizations don't apply )</font>

Ralph,

Countryacres thought that the 2210 and the 4110 were "the same size as far as he could see". In real life this is not the case. I was meerly trying to let him know that he was comparing apples to oranges! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Now the weight difference between the 2210 (1300 lbs) and the 4110 (1579 lbs) is 279 lbs, not 150! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

BTW: When do the generalizations apply? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Hypernix

 

[bigpete]

Ralph: Are you answering a question, or...what are you talking about?

 

[RalphVa]

I was commenting on Hypernix's comments at the top of page 2.

The real differences come with the jump to the 4210, a little more than double the weight of a 2210, 4010.

Ralph

 

[ajspence]

Does the 4010 have steering brakes? And also, what is the 7-iron mower? Thanks again.

-AJ

 

[ajspence]

I want to thank everyone for their comments and feedback. I think the additional size/weight/clearance of the 4010/4110 is better for brush hogging, and clearing some areas to make new lawn. My only concern is if the 2210/2305 would be noticeable better for mowing lawn... lighter, more maneuverable, etc.??

As I can get Ford employee pricing (6%), I should also look at the NH TC/TZ models, though I like the JD over both the NH and Kubotas.

Thanks again so much for all the feedback. This is a great onloine community. I will keep you all posted as my search continues...
/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
-AJ

 

[2nstonge]

AJ -

I mow my 2 acre lawn with a 4110 (60" deck & power vac system) - it does an awesome job. Filled tires and no visible lawn damage or ruts after a full mowing season.

I had a X585 and traded-up to the 4110. Maneuverability is great, nice tight turns and there's no lockout switch for the mower if you want to go in reverse (with the mower still on) so in that respect it's actually faster than the 585 in some parts of my yard that require alot of back and forth to maneuver around. If you like to change the cutting height often that is a PITA on the 4110 - no easy dial like on the 585.

I can't speak for the 2210/2305 but I was pleasantly surprised at the cut quality and speed on the 4110.

-Norm

 

[ajspence]

Thanks Norm for the fedback on the mowing for the 4110.

 

[RalphVa]

The 4x10 series have steering brakes. They're actually usable compared to the ones on Kubotas or other tractors where they often place them above and beyond the HST forward pedal: can't brake while on the HST pedal unless you're a contortionist. Hit the brakes, and they all go out of cruise control; so that won't free your foot. Tried it on a Kubota. It worked, but the tractor stopped with the cruise flipped out. Of course, it'll flip out on a 4x10, too, but you can keep your other foot on the HST. To have turning brakes on other tractors, you apparently have to go to a shift type transmission.

I generally use the steering brakes for when I put too much down force on the FEL. Can put the FEL in float, and brakes generally aren't needed. Could use the brakes to make very tight turns like at the end of garden rows, just like a big tractor.

Ralph

 

[ajspence]

Thanks Ralph. Steering brakes are one of the reasons I'm kinda onto the 41xx instead of the 2210 (now 2305).