Is this a scam? Is this a Scam

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I am selling a tractor, I have posted the price of 8500, I have had several offers from Africa. The last person wants to mail me a US cashiers check for 11,000 then I mail his shipper the balence, I questioned his legitimacy, he says the check will clear, he has not seen the tractor.
 
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Re: Is this a Scam - without a doubt!!!!!!!!!!

<font color="green">This has scam written all over it. There was nother thread on this sort of topic not too long ago.

Mike </font>
 
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Actually it does sound legit if the cashiers check clear. What bank is it written on? After selling and shipping boats to Mexico and other places the shipping could be $2500.00 and sounds about right. You are in the drivers seat if he is sending the check to you first. Let us know how it works out.
Mike
 
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If you are careful it might work. Be aware that cashiers checks have been counterfeited. I posted elsewhere about taking a cashiers check to a branch of the bank that issued it and finding that they were not able to immediately verify that the check was valid.

I would set up a new account at a bank you don't currently use. Deposit the check and wait until the check clears the issuing bank. Then wire your proceeds to your other account. Use what's left in the new account for the shipper.

Don't on any hand be coerced into doing anything until the bank says the money from the check is in the new account. When you do a wire it immediately debits the account so the money is not available to cover any other debits. Do not reveal your normal account number to anyone connected with the transaction. As soon as the shipper is paid, closeout the new account.

If the deal works and the buyer comes back with something that seems odd, don't let your guard down. You don't owe them anything even if they bought your tractor.
 
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Guys, I talked to our local bank, they say give them 10 days and if it clears everything is ok. I sent a Better Buisness Burea page on Nigerian Scams to the customer, he states he is legit, he says he is a contractor in the states. I was wondering, if the check clears how could I go wrong, normally the scams work with the buyer recieving the tractor before the seller gets the check cleared.
 
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Sounds like a scam to me. "His" shipper is probably his brother-in-law. He wants you to fork over $2500, and then the cashiers check doesn't clear, so he makes $2500 on the deal.

I wouldn't send anybody any money until the check clears.
 
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<font color="green">Ask yourself if this is legit, why isn't the "buyer" simply paying the shipper himself? Doesn't this in itself make the transaction extremely suspect?

Mike </font>
 
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THis is a common scam apparently. It was reported on one of the TV news programs like 60 Minutes a while back.

Whatever you do, send no money until the check clears your bank, and then I would even move the money from that account to another bank just to be sure that there was not mistake...Then I would wait another week or two...

It certainly is a scam though. Play it out for what it is worth and then let us know when the check proves worthless.

The scam depends on people believing that a cashiers check is the same as cash. They send off the difference before the find out the truth...thinking that when the check is deposited and the money shows up in their account that it really is there. The reality is that it is not there until the check clears...which it never does.

Think about it. Why would someone send that much money to a complete stranger [you] ??? answer is they wouldn't...
 
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To answer the question in the heading of your post -- Probably!

"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." That old adage is as true today as it ever was. I'd avoid the deal completely.

If he gets buyer's remorse then you're obligated to return his entire $11,000.00 to him. I'm going to guess his shipper isn't required to return your $2,500.00 to you as he already reserved the space for you. If you choose NOT to ship something, that's your problem.

Now you know how this scam works. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If you want to have some fun with them, tell them you can't get involved with the shipping and to just send you the $8,500.00 or tell them to send you two separate checks -- one paid to you for $8,500.00 and one paid to the shipper for $2,500.00 and see what happens. I guarantee you there will be some fast talking about how and why they need YOU to pay the shipper from the proceeds of a single check.
 
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I had financial crimes in my PD for three years. This is a scam. Be careful or you'll lose the money.
 
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It is a scam. Just stay away for these people. I just tell them I'm not interested. In fact even if you get the money, its money laundering.
 
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It is definitely a scam.
My credit union posted the following recently:

CURRENT SCAM - INTERNET SALES AND COUNTERFEIT CHECKS

Have you ever advertised a vehicle for sale on the Internet? Did you receive numerous counteroffers and inquiries via email? Perhaps you received one immediate offer that agreed to pay the asking price or more? While there are many legitimate sales of vehicles and other goods over the Internet, PSECU is warning members about current scams that have affected credit union members in Pennsylvania.

The current scam:

PSECU is aware of two current auto-buying schemes based out of Africa. These schemes have been affecting members of credit unions across the United States. The auto-buying scheme typically involves counterfeit checks. These checks can be either “official checks” or “cashier’s checks” that lead the member to believe the funds are certified or guaranteed.

Some organizations classify this scheme as a form of Nigerian 4-1-9 fraud. And, although the people listed in the scenarios below were contacted by someone in Africa, please be aware that these types of scams can be committed by criminals anywhere in the world, including the United States.

How it works:

The scams generally involve an automobile sale, or another big-ticket item. In the true stories below, both people were advertising a car for sale over the Internet. Each were made good offers from people overseas, and agreed to sell their cars.

In one instance, a gentleman sent the victim an “official” bank check for $45,000. The asking price of the vehicle was only $21,000. The gentleman told the victim a story about how the bank made an error and issued the check for the wrong amount. The gentleman asked the victim to deposit the check and wire him the $24,000 difference. However, upon contacting the bank the item was drawn on, it was discovered that the $45,000 check was counterfeit.

In the second instance, a gentleman from Nigeria sent the victim a cashier’s check for $7,800. The victim was instructed to use Western Union to send $3,500 back to Nigeria to cover tax and shipping on the vehicle. Unfortunately, the item was deposited and the victim did send the $3,500 to Africa. Upon receipt of the funds, the gentleman again contacted the victim to indicate he was no longer interested in the car. He asked that the victim send the rest of the money back to him via Western Union, but the victim could keep 10% for their efforts. At that time, the victim became extremely suspicious and contacted their financial institution’s fraud investigation unit to resolve the matter.

Another variation of the scam:

Sometimes the person interested in purchasing your item advertised on the Internet will indicate that there is another person in the United States that he owes money to. Or, he may say the other person owes him money. In either case, you will receive a cashier’s check in excess of the purchase price. You are then asked to wire the extra money to the appropriate party in order to clear his outstanding debt.

This had recently happened to a woman in Pennsylvania who was selling her horse over the Internet. A person from Nigeria contacted her and said he was interested in purchasing the horse, but he also owed money to someone else in the United States. He said he would be including the other person’s money with her check. He asked that she issue a cashiers check to the other person for the difference. Luckily, the woman called the Attorney General's office and was told this appeared to be a scam.

What you should do:

If you receive an “official” check, cashier’s check, or certified check from someone during the course of a sale, you can take some precautions:

Always be skeptical if the offer comes from someone overseas or from someone you do not know. When someone sends you more than the asking price of the sale item, and requests you return the excess via wire or cashier’s check, increase your skepticism.

Call the credit union, bank, or other financial institution the check is drawn on. Tell the bank that you are conducting business with an unknown party and have received an official-looking check from them for payment. Ask to verify the account number, check number, dollar amount and payee information on the check. (It is important to verify the payee information - the name the check is made payable to. In some instances the check may have been valid at one time, however, the crook may have intercepted the check and changed the payee name.)

When calling the financial institution that the check is drawn on, find the institution’s telephone number from the phone book, directory assistance, or the institution’s website. Do not rely on the pre-printed telephone and address information on the face of the check, as the phone number may be directed to the con artist himself.

In conclusion…

Just because you deposit a check and the money is available in your account does not mean that the check is good. When a check is deposited at the credit union, we then forward the check to the other financial institution the check is drawn on. Sometimes it can take weeks for the original bank to discover the item was counterfeit. The bottom line is this – if you are going to accept a check from a stranger, you need to exercise a lot of caution.
 
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Many of the Telephone Scam's originate in Canada as our law's do not properly address the situation.
Egon
 
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Firefighter...

I agree "scam" with the rest...

Why not open a second account and have them simply wire the funds in... After all..if they have "cleared cash" to send a cashiers check, how is that any different than wiring?

At least this way, you will know immediately if the funds are there (or not), rather than the time it will take for the check to be rescinded.

Richard
 
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This happened to me. For fun I strung tem along for a while - they asked for a pic of my Massey for sale so I sent a picture of a kubota lawn tractor. Just testing. The guy said it looked great - he he he imagine $7000 for a 10yr old lawn mower.

I told him he was a scammer, and to leave us alone on TBN. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
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