Is a 3hp upgrade worth it?

[SirFallalot]

There is a good looking Daedong (Kioti) T2600 in Braga with only 971 hours for €3500. Doesn't have documents though, so I don't think you're interested on that one.

It's a 25 HP machine and it's a little bit bigger than yours but I'm sure it would fit right it. Can't really find much specs about it though.

The same tractor with documents/title and license plate would bump the price up to €6000 easily.

Thanks I'll check it out

 

[SirFallalot]

I think that the bigger issue is trading the devil that you know for the devil that you don't. You know the reliability of your current tractor, trading for another old tractor just to get 3 more HP seems like a big risk. Unless you KNOW that the bigger tractor is just as good as the one you have, keep what you got.

That's also something a bit worrying, they're mostly the same tractor, but I know mine works 90% fine and doesn't have any issues...

 

[JCoastie]

any chance you can demo (borrow) it for a day or two for use on your property to see how it goes?

 

[SirFallalot]

any chance you can demo (borrow) it for a day or two for use on your property to see how it goes?

To use on my property, not really, I'll try get the butt feeling on the seller's property, hopefully it'll have an uphill stretch, the guy was busy this weekend, so postponed the viewing .

I've heard many ppl say about demoing. but any private sellers I've met won't really let you run away with their tractor for a day or two, maybe if I gave him a couple hundred, plus 200$ to and fro in transport as I don't have a flat trailer or the necessary license.

 

[ptsg]

To use on my property, not really, I'll try get the butt feeling on the seller's property, hopefully it'll have an uphill stretch, the guy was busy this weekend, so postponed the viewing .

I've heard many ppl say about demoing. but any private sellers I've met won't really let you run away with their tractor for a day or two, maybe if I gave him a couple hundred, plus 200$ to and fro in transport as I don't have a flat trailer or the necessary license.

Yeah, it's not a common practice to demo a tractor or any machine in Portugal or Europe for that matter. That's why we don't even consider.

Also, the price that the seller puts on whatever he is selling, is not very flexible. Usually no more than €250.

I saw an ad on Facebook the other day for an articulated Goldoni 238 with documents and license plate in Rio Maior for €3980. Looks good and in very good shape.

 

[Gord Baker]

IIRC the OP is looking at 'geared' tractors so we could skip the 2-3hp a HST pump 'loses' and add 50 lbs or more (?) with a 'different' (hp) model. Imagining my 5-speed pedal bike compared to my 12-speed there a gear for every grade and effort but more choices or fewer range/gear shift combos might make operating more convenient if not more productive.

btw, for all we know the OP doesn't need as much 'more' as we wish he had.

Nothing to do with real or imagined HP increase!

 

[the old grind]

OP just needs another 45 hp on paper. Never mind 'seat of the pants' feel. Well, if someone has plenty of hp to spare and can loan him the difference.

btw, >60hp and <20 tractors are so much alike it's really apples to apples. Sorry to suggest one can find a best gear for a task with barely enough hp and having more gears/ranged to choose from.

 

[SirFallalot]

Well after taking note of everything I decided against this, the 100cc and kgs didn't justify the change. I was also advised parts are really hard to find for Hinomotos (I guess there's a lot less in classifieds compared to others).

As most 5k tractors in the 25hp range tend to be a bit wider (135cm~) than my liking, I've kept waiting and have spotted an antonio carraro 2700 with license for 5k which I think might be a good fit. Can't really find specs but i'll check it out soon.

Do you guys usually trade in your previous tractor or sell it separately? I judge I can easily sell mine for 4k, trading it in for the carraro the seller will discount 3k. Which means I might "lose" 1k, and the possibility to sell it and keep my current one if it tends not to be a good fit.

Cheers

 

[ptsg]

Yes, Hinomoto parts are very hard to find. Specially considering they went out of business some time ago. They are now getting back in business by selling TYM tractors rebadged to Hinomoto.

Your tractor has documents and license plate, so definitely try selling your tractor yourself. It's in good shape, so it shouldn't be too hard. Dealers usually take advantage on trade-ins and will try to rip you off by valuing your tractor in basically half of what it's worth.

That Antonio Carraro should be a good fit for your place.

 

[ning]

Well after taking note of everything I decided against this, the 100cc and kgs didn't justify the change. I was also advised parts are really hard to find for Hinomotos (I guess there's a lot less in classifieds compared to others).

As most 5k tractors in the 25hp range tend to be a bit wider (135cm~) than my liking, I've kept waiting and have spotted an antonio carraro 2700 with license for 5k which I think might be a good fit. Can't really find specs but i'll check it out soon.

Do you guys usually trade in your previous tractor or sell it separately? I judge I can easily sell mine for 4k, trading it in for the carraro the seller will discount 3k. Which means I might "lose" 1k, and the possibility to sell it and keep my current one if it tends not to be a good fit.

Cheers

Trade only if you absolutely can't afford to float the money while trying to sell, especially if you think you can sell it without too much effort.

 

[OzKioti]

I've enjoyed reading this thread, as there are similarities with my situation, but on a slightly bigger scale.

For many years, I was able to do most tasks with my 47hp tractor, but it became increasingly frustrating having to continually change gears going up-slope with the 180cm (6 ft) slasher/rotary cutter. Sure, I could have bought a smaller slasher, and set aside more time to do the job each time, but with 25 acres to mow, I didn't much like that option.

Couple that with my air-blast sprayer, and just powering the fan used up over 20 PTO hp. And the chipper was limited somewhat by the available PTO hp. As I said, all this stuff was do-able, but...

The new 76hp tractor solved all those issues. Admittedly more than a 20% hp increase, and back in 2004 if the 55hp model had been available when I bought the 47hp machine, I think it would have done all I wanted.

As to trade in, vs private sale, my Kioti dealer freely admitted he'd have to "gut me" if he accepted the 47 as a trade, however he was more than happy for me to leave it on display on his lot, and even advertised it on his website! How many dealers would do that?

The new owner saw it on the website, and is now happy as the proverbial "pig in mud" with a machine which did around 100 hrs/yr and was always garaged, and I got a fair price to offset the cost of the new one. Win/win!

 

[SirFallalot]

Thanks for the advice guys

 

[sd455dan]

Any chance you could have the tractor dyno tested at a tractor shop and possibly (if the pump is set to the low side) have it turned up a bit for an extra couple horses.
A good test that might tell, is under full load does the engine produce any black smoke at all? if not, there might be a just a bit more in the engine that a simple turn of the screw might make available. Just something that could be checked on a dyno to see if you are getting your rated power.

 

[SirFallalot]

Yeah if loaded and I press the go pedal smog ensues, but good tip.

 

[SirFallalot]

Errrr, by the way. I'm going to see the tractor tomorrow, but I really can't find any specs for this model, and I don't know if I should trust the dealers "27hp" number, considering carraro don't seem to follow the "hp in model number" thing, and that many tractors I've seen are inflated 5-15 hp. I guess CC is a good tell too.

 

[ptsg]

Yeah, really hard to find any info on the 2700. I could only find info for the 3200, which I believe is the newer version of the 2700.

I've found a couple ads for the 2700 mentioning 20 HP. Others saying 27HP. A Lombardini 2 cylinder air cooled engine would be my guess. The title should say the power in kW.

 

[SirFallalot]

Thanks, that's what I found too...7hp is a big % for these, seller actually said 28 dunno where I got 27 from. But good point the docs will have the rating.

If 20hp not sure if it's a valuable upgrade, I know my op was even less, but it's supposedly much heavier, and for the extra price it doesn't have any extras like remotes, and has a 6x2 box (not sure if that's 12 or 6F+2R, which would make it the same as mine). I guess it'll be clearer tomorrow. This is the listing btw.

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Interesting how ancient jap tractors have so much info but nothing on these.

Do you have any suggestions of possible butt feeling hp testers? I'd be very pissed off if I couldn't pull the trailer uphill above walking speed. Maybe I'm rushing the purchase a bit, but I have lots of work to do soon and my current tractor definitely won't be up for it.

 

[ptsg]

I believe I spy a remote valve on the right side of the lift arm on the picture that shows the rear of the tractor but it's hard to be sure.

Regardless of the HP, although the 27hp do make sense, this is a lot more tractor than your current one. It has a lot more weight, so it can handle a lot more weight on the 3 pt as well. On the picture, it's possible to see the gross towing weight of 3125kg along with the weight of the tractor, 790kgs. This is about the double the weight of your current tractor.

I would expect it to have a 9F+3R transmission or even a 8F+4R but then again, very had to find a catalogue of this tractor.

Some time ago, I saw an Antonio Carraro 2700 on the road with a 3500 kgs trailer fully loaded to the top with logs. That thing was ripping at top speed.

By the way, if you end up making the deal, make sure the seller has the ROPS. For some reason, someone took it off and I'm sure you know how the rules are lot tighter regarding ROPS.

EDIT: Found this ad in Italy, the seller lists a Ruggerini 26hp engine and it has a picture of the gear shift levers where it's possible to see 6 forward gears and 3 reverse gears.

Antonio Carraro Tigre 2700 | Subito

Causa inutilizzo mezzo omologato e targato stradale, con 2 prese di forza, tagliandato perfettamente funzionante. Ore lavorate 2933 originali cv.26 motore ruggerini .

www.subito.it

 

[SirFallalot]

Many thanks! That definitely

I believe I spy a remote valve on the right side of the lift arm on the picture that shows the rear of the tractor but it's hard to be sure.

Regardless of the HP, although the 27hp do make sense, this is a lot more tractor than your current one. It has a lot more weight, so it can handle a lot more weight on the 3 pt as well. On the picture, it's possible to see the gross towing weight of 3125kg along with the weight of the tractor, 790kgs. This is about the double the weight of your current tractor.

I would expect it to have a 9F+3R transmission or even a 8F+4R but then again, very had to find a catalogue of this tractor.

Some time ago, I saw an Antonio Carraro 2700 on the road with a 3500 kgs trailer fully loaded to the top with logs. That thing was ripping at top speed.

By the way, if you end up making the deal, make sure the seller has the ROPS. For some reason, someone took it off and I'm sure you know how the rules are lot tighter regarding ROPS.

EDIT: Found this ad in Italy, the seller lists a Ruggerini 26hp engine and it has a picture of the gear shift levers where it's possible to see 6 forward gears and 3 reverse gears.

Antonio Carraro Tigre 2700 | Subito

Causa inutilizzo mezzo omologato e targato stradale, con 2 prese di forza, tagliandato perfettamente funzionante. Ore lavorate 2933 originali cv.26 motore ruggerini .

www.subito.it

Thanks for the help searching and for the assurance, that's good to hear!
I'll make sure to ask about the rops, I had been meaning to weld one up for my current one but was told it needs to be certified (does make sense, otherwise I could do a bamboo one).

 

[SirFallalot]

Well I'm back from the visit. I'm...a bit unsure. It was alright but not love at first sight kind of thing.

It started on the button, clean engine, no big crashes, but it's a bit dated and felt a bit sloppy/stuck accelerator wise, probably just needs a refresh. The width is 110cm, perfect, and gearbox is 6+3, didn't want to go into first initially but then was fine.

One thing i didn't like was permanent 4x4, full turn on cement and it started jumping! Not sure if a concern. No steering brakes either.
It has the single spool, but no dedicated control, you have to push the lift to the top to operate it, not sure if there's situations where that'd be inconvenient.
No rops available, but I can make it.


5k felt a bit pushy thought for a "barebones" ~35yo tractor tho. If it wasn't for the size limitation, there's s lot more value for money ones...