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Anyone use or familiar with using ICF to build a home? It looks very interesting. Simple, fast, superior insulation, quiet, and apparently cost effective. I've been building homes using conventional stick framing since 1972 but this looks like how I would like to build my own home. Any thoughts would be appreciated, Rat...
 
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Haven't used them myself but being kind of a "home improvement" buff I've seen many of them go up on tv and seen them at various home shows over the years. If I were building my own house I'd use them in a second. Great idea, you get a poured foundation without the cost of the forms, it's already insulated, and you can do it yourself after the footing is poured. Only caution is to do a single pour all the way around; let set some, then do second pour to top off. If you do a full pour to the top you stand a chance of blowing out the form which would not be fun!
 
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Rat,

There have been several discussions regarding ICF construction on the Rural Living form. Just do a search on "ICF". You might also look at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.icfweb.com/>ICFWeb</A>. Lots of builders and manufacturers participate on that site.

We're still considering building with icf, but one thing is holding us back. We will be using the house as a weekend home in the beginning, and there may be times when it is closed up for 3 to 6 weeks. ICF construction is so tight that you have to have a good ventilation system running all the time, and I'm not sure that's a good idea for a home like we are planning. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
 
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I have used an ICF system for the foundation of a house project my students built. We just did the foundation so that the students could get experience on set-up and pouring concrete, but still have the framing experience on the walls of the main floor. I had just built my house with a wood foundation and framed walls, but would very seriously consider building my whole house with the ICF.
I used an ICF system called Blue Max, but they have changed their name to Aarxx I think do to Dow having rights to anything foam and called blue.
The main thing I liked about the system I used was that the horizontal rebar locked into clips and then the verticle bar would slide down the wall between the horizontal. This made it easy for the students to know they had bar in exactly the right place. When we finished the lower level off the drywall could screw right to the same strips that supported the form.
I had great support from the distributor. Used his form support system with integral scaffold. I will see if I can find a picture Monday and post it for you. One thing the distributor emphasized was to make sure you have openings properly located before you pour. Tom
 
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Tom, thanks for the info, I have only one brochure and contact and that has been arxx, the company you mentioned. I remember it being called BlueMax and wondered why our local concrete/ICF supplier had switched. Now it makes a little more sense. I would like to do the entire wall system with ICF. Out here in CA we don't build cellars or basements much, don't know much about them other then they are cool in the summer and that would seem reason enough. Thanks for the info again, I am getting a little more excited about doing this home with ICF all the time. Rat...
 
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Our new home is being built witrh the Arxx blocks for the foundation and SIPS for the exterior walls. The ICFS seem to cost a little more than the stripable conventional forms, but you end up with a well insulated wall from the start. Just screw the drywall or paneling to the plastic webs!

We're expecting to start construction in a month or so.
 
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Gary, that's the same thing I want to do- an SIP home on top of an ICF basement! Please email me and let me know who you're using, etc. Thanks.
 
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Here's a shot of an ICF foundation that is almost complete. It's a complicated layout that would be difficult with conventional forms. Notice the varying wall heights.
 

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This is another view, back down the driveway toward the entrance road. BTW, this is NOT my place.
 

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This shot shows the outside of the ICFs with the waterproof membrane in place. The section in the middle of the picture is made with the brick ledge form.
 

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Gary, tell me why your choosing the structural insulated panels versus ICF, would it be primarily cost? Secondly, out here in California basements are almost unheard of and yet back in the midwest and east they seem to be just standard procedure. What is the benefit of a basement. Aren't they a considerable cost when you factor in the waterproofing needed and the extras like french drains and a sump pump? Thanks, Rat...
 
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The owner of Stitt Energy Systems, Orlo Stitt, has built some homes with ICFs "to the roof". I.E.,all the exterier walls are concrete and rebar. His current home is constructed this way. However, the materials cost is higher than conventional or SIP walls. I personally did not see the advantage for my needs. The SIPs are tight and very well insulated. We will have "Hardy Board" as the covering over the SIPs. This is rated the same as masonary as far as fire insurance is concerned. Orlo has this over the ICF/Concrete walls on his house.

Basements are the norm, at least in Missouri. Actually, our new place is like a two story with the "upper story" on the bottom. The main level has the Kitchen, Great Room, Master Suite, Guest Room, Mud/Laundry room, and Guest Bath. The lower level, not basement please, has the Recreation room, another Guest Room, Bath, Safe Room/Library, and Work Shop. The lot slopes, so three sides of the lower level is above grade. Only the East side is below grade. Lot's of large windows too.

We have some serious storms in the midwest. The safe room has all it's walls made out of ICFs, just like the rest of the foundation. It will also have a concrete ceiling. So if bad weather threatens, that's where we'll sleep. My wife does not care for storms!

I've attached a photo of Orlo's house.
 

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a guy i work with built a new house a couple years ago, 3000 sq ft with 1500 of it in the basement. the basement was built using the styrofoam forms, but i don't know what band he went with..he built the top 1500 ft using what we refer to as the "doug rye way", celulose insulation, caulking everything, etc etc..he put in a geothermal unit, actually 2, a 1/2 ton unit in the basement and a 2.5 tone in the top..he has meters on both units, and so far, his heating and cooling cost for 3k ft is averaging less than $30 a month..no to shabby..
heehaw
 
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We are considering a geothermal unit. But the folks from Stitt Energy say that with a tight, well insulated house, the payback is too long to be worthwhile. I'm waiting 'till the HVAC guy does his calculations and see what he says. But what you say sounds great.
 
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<font color=blue>"you have to have a good ventilation system running all the time, and I'm not sure that's a good idea for a home like we are planning"</font color=blue>

Our "farmhouse" will be a second home for several years, then become our primary residence. We will be installing a <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.aprilaire.com/product.asp?ID=1436C65E4C034782A5586DEDD3E363D3&categoryID=9CC6090D12294A40B6DBF3B28DADEFC1>Aprilaire heat-exchange ventilator</A> to try and remove some of the "stuffy" that accumulates in an unused house. Heat exchangers differ in design. Some just mix outside air with inside air and circulate it through the house. The better models use heat exchangers that don't mix the air streams, yet extract the heat. The best models (the enthalpic units) also exchange the humidity. It will be a few months until completion so I don't have firsthand experience yet.
 
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Chris,

Thanks for that link. I've saved it, and I'll be following your progress as you build your second home.
 
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This is a pic of the students setting up the forms. We used the wall braces with integrated scaffold. In the back you can see a window buck.
 
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Sorry, I hope this time I do this right.
 

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