Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers?

   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #61  
no i didnt forget any 0s.i was talking about 4 by 6 round bales in 1 cutting.this year we will be running a 5 by 6 baler.it was prolly closer to closer to 110acs at 2 bales to the ac.an thats in the texas drought that weve been in off an on for the last 5yrs.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #62  
A friend of mine that I help actually tedd while the dew is still on, seems to help with leaf loss and shake some of the dew off. We also went to a rotary rake, around here it seems to work very well.
We usually wait until it has dried enough that you dont get a shower while tedding, but I guess it would be incorrect to say that we wait till its fully dry. Tried tedding when there was heavy dew once and it seemed that all of the wet leaves stuck to the tedder...
We have also played around with swath width when mowing. We have found if the ground is damp it's better to mow and drop the hay in as narrow a swath as possible, then tedd. This allows the ground to dry, then tedd. If it's not damp then we lay wider, but not as wide as we could. Only because the tedder seems to work better than if we went with the widest swath possible.
Same here.

Aaron Z
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #63  
Thank you JasG. Good advise. I seem to grow a good crop of rocks each year. I could spend weeks with my Bobcat and a rock bucket picking rocks. I heard that a rotary rake works very well but does bring in more stones ( if present) and chaff when raking. Any truth to that?
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #64  
Thank you JasG. Good advise. I seem to grow a good crop of rocks each year. I could spend weeks with my Bobcat and a rock bucket picking rocks. I heard that a rotary rake works very well but does bring in more stones ( if present) and chaff when raking. Any truth to that?

We have a lot of rocks also, stones, and other stuff plus a layer of shale that every time we plow brings up stuff. As far as being a problem we loaned ours to a guy up the road who chops 100% of his hay and he liked it so much he bought one. Choppers and stones do not get a long so I would say if set up correct it should not.

Also if the wind is blowing, we have raked material before it was ready (earlier than we would with a rollbar rake) if it's not real heavy. It the same field the stuff raked cured faster than the stuff left alone tedded out. With 2nd cutting he liked to rake 1 day early in single rows, then double them right before baling.

He has a roll bar rake, we use it once a year just to use it, the grease it and put it away. He only keeps it around in case the rotary breaks.

Bottom line is he feels in the last 10 years he has gotten a lot of hay in with the rotary that with a rollbar would not have cured before rain came. Picking up at least 1/2 a day sometimes a full day.

You could tedd again, but then you end up with leaf loss and with day hay that has some green spots here and there. We have found tedding at that point the green stays on the bottom. With the rotary it's up in the wind row which is fluffy and seems to cure faster.

I think another reason is getting back to the ground. If the ground is damp at all it slows the curing down. Raking it up allows the ground to dry, yet with the fluffy wind rows the hay still cures.
 
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   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #65  
We usually wait until it has dried enough that you dont get a shower while tedding, but I guess it would be incorrect to say that we wait till its fully dry. Tried tedding when there was heavy dew once and it seemed that all of the wet leaves stuck to the tedder...

Same here.

Aaron Z

If we figure the dew will be burned off by 10:00 AM we start about 8:30 so we usually get done by 10.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #66  
I'm sold JasG. When my time comes to invest in the equipment, it will include a rotary rake and a tedder. Thanks.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #67  
I'm sold JasG. When my time comes to invest in the equipment, it will include a rotary rake and a tedder. Thanks.

I've got a Kuhn rotary rake as well... (I didn't want to push too hard on everything all at once!) You know - the old horse to water parable! :)

AKfish
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #68  
I'm sold JasG. When my time comes to invest in the equipment, it will include a rotary rake and a tedder. Thanks.

Glad I was able to help.

If you are going to look at used. Make sure the center section is still sealed good. On a Kuhn there are plastic spacers/fillers between each arm where they enter the center hub. If someone repaired the rake or had to remove and arm, they may leave one or two out. This allows dirt to enter and eat up the bearings and cast cam track inside. If you ever have to repair one, the spacers are a pain to get in if only 1 arm is removed. I have trimmed the plastic that holds the spacer in and then chalked it to stay in place.

I would also recommend a 4 wheel set up vs the 2 wheel because the 2 wheel will to bounce over every little bump.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #69  
Great advise JasG. I have added these notes to my growing binder of wants, needs and what to look out for's. Thank you. This site has been great.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #70  
One more question for all of you reading this. Can you give your thoughts to this?

Rotary or Wheeled Rake. I like what I am hearing about the Rotary Rakes but how do they compare to a Wheeled rake? I hope I am describing this correctly so as not to look any more dense than I already am.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #71  
One more question for all of you reading this. Can you give your thoughts to this?
Rotary or Wheeled Rake. I like what I am hearing about the Rotary Rakes but how do they compare to a Wheeled rake? I hope I am describing this correctly so as not to look any more dense than I already am.
By wheeled you mean the ones with the "pinwheels" running at an angle or in a vee shape (such as: Hay Rakes )? If so, IMO, they move the hay similar to how a rollbar rake does and some of the downsides are that they:
1. Don't work when stopped or creeping along
2. Can introduce dirt/dust into your window as the tines are on the ground
3. Dont work for tedding or fluffing the hay when it is flat as they will cause windows

On the plus side, they are:
1. Cheap
2. Reliable
3. Work well at high speeds

Aaron Z
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #72  
Yes i was talking about the "pin wheel" type of rakes. Not the v rakes. Where we have gotten our hay the last several years, they use a pinwheel type of rake and we get sticks, dirt, small rock, the occasional bird or hawk, ect. Not impressed. That is why I have asked. I would rather pay more on the front end and get a quality job done as I will most likely be selling hay as well to mostly horse owners and you can get a bad reputation very quickly if you have a horse colic and they blame the hay.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #73  
We use a PTO powered "basket" tedder to ted the hay and a rollbar rake (powered by a shaft from the rear wheels) to windrow it before baling. We still get the occasional stick (usually from the side of the field where a branch fell into the field and didnt get picked up). No rocks, dirt or critters (yet).

Aaron Z
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #74  
Thanks again aczlan. My hay supplier is a dairy farmer and as may know,, horses are different than cows. I have gotten dirty hay, moldy and the random dead critter in the bales. I have not problem with the seldom bad bale but last couple of years I am not sure what field he is pulling out of and this is why I want to start using my 25 acre field for my hay and sell what I do not need. I will have to buy hay this year but I think I should get something out of the field this first year. It was planted back the first of Apirl. Thanks.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #75  
I've had an inline Hesston sq baler for about 15 years now. Never had any trouble out of it. The only way to get banana shaped bales is to tighten one side down and leave the other loose the same way you do on a traditional baler. It has the same flakes as all other square balers do.

Some of the inline sq balers are a little smaller size. The only thing this means is you have to lower your baling speed or make your windrow smaller, but getting the right size windrow for your baler is to do no matter kind of baler you are running.

The benefits to a twine tie square bale is, it's much easier on the fingers when picking them up in the field. The downsides are the little strands of twine sometimes left on top of the bale after the knot is cut and every once in a while you'll have a bale break if you have it adjusted too tight.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #76  
The only way to get banana shaped bales is to tighten one side down and leave the other loose the same way you do on a traditional baler. It has the same flakes as all other square balers do.


Please explain if the bale compression apparatus is applying pressure to "the center(top & bottom) of the forming bale" and the cranks attach into springs how this affects a banana shaped bale? I was taught that banana shaped bales are caused by the size of windrow,ground speed,which area of PU hay is fed into on baler & how the feeder fingers are adjusted IE both sides of bale need correct amount of hay. I agree number of flakes per bale is the same for all brands determined by ground speed,windrow size and baler strokes per minute.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #77  
If you don't set the tension evenly on the bale with the hand cranks, you're not applying pressure to the top center of the bale. There are also side shims that I guess could fall out or be left out that might contribute to one side being loose.
 
   / Inline vs Traditional small Square Balers? #78  
Ok explain how if both upper(parts key #6) & lower(parts key #5) channels in bale case are pivoting on each extreme side how more pressure can me applied on one or the other side of channel with just spring tension? I randomly picked a NH small sq baler schematic but all brands are similar in channel attachment.
 

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