Oil & Fuel Ideas for fuel transfer???

   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #21  
1*Out of curiosity,
do you remove it from your truck with your FEL
or do you use a overhead winch or pulley system?
2*I like some of the fuel caddys, but they are over $500.
3*they don't seem to have any way to lift them from a truck.
4*How long would you feel comfortable keeping fuel in a drum.
5*what additive would you put in it, if any?
Thanks for your reply!
1*Neither : See photos



2*I Don't like the highly overpriced poor performing under featured caddys .
I build a far superior set up for $400 give or take 25 bucks.
3*With my system there is no lifting of fuel.
4*A year to a year and a half.
5*1 quart of power service-white bottle to 1 55 gallon drum of fuel or 1/2 quart in a 30 gallon drum of fuel.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #22  
1*I am thinking about another way to haul diesel. I use about 10 or 15 gallons weekly.
2*I have seen those 30 gallon and 10 gallon tanks at Northern that look nice, but just can't decide.
3*I don't want to have fuel delivered, since my place is pretty far out and I don't live there.
4*A 30 gallon tank would be hard to handle
5*Any clever ideas to lift a bigger tank out of a truck bed,
6*I would consider a 12 v pump .
1*That's 40 to 60 gallon monthly and certainly qualifies you for home delivery.
Usage of 10 to 12 gallon a month justifies installing a fuel station.
2*You can do much better for less money.
3*What's this got to do with who how the fuel gets there???
4* Not if you set things up rite.
The secret is don't handle any drums with fuel in them.
I use 30 and 55 gallon drums in my rig but never have to handle anything with fuel in it. .
5*Yeah empty it first.
6*I wouldn't consider anything else.
Go with the 12 volt pump so you can lift the fuel with it.
One of these or something similar and an old battery charger for 12 volts is what I use.
7* As far as bulk storage that will be a constant challenge unless you get several barrels and justify a run by a fuel truck.
8*I have a 150 gallon tank that fills once a year with no problems.
Northern Ind. Diesel Fuel Transfer Pump 12V DC 10.5 GPM - eBay (item 330321118732 end time May-09-09 15:52:38 PDT)
7*The OP uses more than enough fuel to justify home delivery.
8*I could have an almost unlimited storage capacity by adding more drums to the system but I'm currently only storing 55 gallons at a time .
9*Since you use 10 - 15 gal a week get the electric pump and the 30 gal container. Make sure you secure it well as now you're talking over 210 LBS just in the weight of the fuel that you don't want sliding around.
9*Yes Yes by all means get the 12 volt pump.
You need it to unload the container off the truck.
10*I got an overhead 500 gal. tank and started having fuel delivered.
11*If you have a FEL a 30 gal. barrel would not be hard at all to move out of a p/u bed.
12*A hand pump would transfer the fuel easily. 12v electric fuel pumps with hose, wiring, and nozzles start around $200.
10* you can't beat home delivery .
If you do it right you can even get small amounts delivered and forget those 100 200 300 gallon minimum delivery requirements.
I get 55 gallon deliveries and could get as little as 25 gallons delivered even though they have a 150 gallon min delivery policy.
11* If you have a 12V pump ya don't need a FEL.
12*A hand pump is not the best idea and you can't unload the truck with it.
A 12 Volt pump will do both. You can buy one for 140 bucks at Northern tool.
Just bought a fill rite FRV700 pump this afternoon for the same reason. Going to put it on the oil tank for the house heat (common up here) and hard pipe it through the basement wall to a hydraulic quick connect that I'll put on the hose.
13*If anyone sees anything dumb in this idea, please point it out!
13*It's the only way to go.
What would be dumb is to it any other way.

Wait a few minutes and LBrown 59 will post all about his set up.
14*Or better yet you could do a search using his ID.
Wedge
14*Great Idea: Anybody contemplating about fueling his tractor deserves to hear/learn. about the neatest slickest small storage system out there.
Not necessarily dumb, but there are a couple of issues:
1) You don't pay sales tax on heating oil, at least in Maine. It may be different where you are.
15*Heating oil is sales tax exempt
but off-road diesel (which is the same thing) is taxed.
So if the oil company gets wind of this, or some local authority, you could be in for a fine.
2) I accidentally spilled some heating oil into the fuel tank of my tractor once (OK, maybe twice) last Summer. It ran fine, but had a real hard time starting when the cold weather came. And this was with Power Service mixed in. I switched to highway diesel and the troubles went away.
16*Heating oil will gel in cold weather much easier than winter diesel. As long as your heating oil is in the warm cellar it flows good, but get it cold and you've got jell.
Good luck!
15*Here in Ohio Home Heating oil and off-road diesel are exactly the same thing.
There is no sales tax or highway road tax on either one.
16* Since our heating oil off road diesel and on road diesel is all the same stuff there is no difference in gelling
between them.
If it were me,
17*I would at least hide your pump set-up somehow; those oil delivery folks can be 'funny'.
17*Not a problem here in Ohio but I'd still put the set up in a locked small storage building or something to guard against theft
18*The reason that I still use the 5 gal cans is that the distributor will not deliver unless I have a 300 gal tank.
19*At this time I am not using the tractor full time so my needs are not as great as others.:)
18*If you do it right you can even get small amounts delivered and forget those 100 200 300 gallon minimum delivery requirements.
19*If you use as little as 5 to 10 gallons of fuel a month it's worth having a fuel station just to get out from under those nasty heavy 5 gallon cans.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #23  
I use a couple of 30 gallon plastic roundup barrels. I get one filled with off road at the distributor when the other gets close to empty. To unload, I tighten the bungs and move the barrel to the back of my pickup, lay the barrel on its side and slide off the tailgate so it stands up when on the ground. Then use handtruck to move into place on dirt in my barn. I use a barrel oil pump. It has a rod and piston. The handle pulls straight up and down. It has a threaded fitting on the pump that I use a garden hose on. Had the pump and hose already, got the barrels for free from local farmer. It may sound like a cumbersome arrangement and I know it may not be the best but it works good enough that I can't see spending money to change it. I am an above knee amputee and have no problem moving a full barrel.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #24  
If it were me, I would at least hide your pump set-up somehow (maybe put a false birdhouse over it?:D). I plan to do the same, but I'm gonna leave the pump near the tanks and make it easily disconnected. Those oil delivery folks can be 'funny'.

Yeah, I'd noticed that and have a plan - we'll see if its a good one. Heating oil tank is in basement. Was going to put pump on tank, and hard pipe it trhough concrete (3/4 cast iron). Then hydraulic quick connect on pipe stubbed through wall. Won't be clear at all what it is, and so shouldn't get anyone curious. When its time to fuel, put nozzle hose on with quick connect. Should cut the flow rate down a lot, but that's fine - 25 gpm pump, 15 gallon tank, I wouldn't mind if pump got gut to 5 gpm.

I'm pretty sure diesel fuel oil here is same as on road diesel. Don't mind putting lots of power service in in winter. Or even switching to on road diesel in winter as I use the tractors much less then.

I'm sure I can find a special form to make sure that Mass gets its sales tax. I would be deeply saddened if the commonwealth of Taxachusetts missed out on an opportunity to tax me. Though this would pretty much be a first, doing something non taxable in this state...

Theft isn't an issue here. We're still in the don't lock the front door, leave keys in the ignition in the supermarket parking lot world. Its nice.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #25  
It seems to me that any fuel not used for on hwy use would not be taxed. At least thats the way it is here in s.c.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #26  
It seems to me that any fuel not used for on hwy use would not be taxed. At least thats the way it is here in s.c.

That's what I understand too, when I was young I worked for an excavator who filled his transfertank w/ on road fuel and the supplier used to refund the road tax every time he filled the tank. He filled his diesel road trucks at the same pump paying the tax....
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #27  
Yeah, I'd noticed that and have a plan - we'll see if its a good one. Heating oil tank is in basement. Was going to put pump on tank, and hard pipe it trhough concrete (3/4 cast iron). Then hydraulic quick connect on pipe stubbed through wall. Won't be clear at all what it is, and so shouldn't get anyone curious. When its time to fuel, put nozzle hose on with quick connect. Should cut the flow rate down a lot, but that's fine - 25 gpm pump, 15 gallon tank, I wouldn't mind if pump got gut to 5 gpm.

*I'm pretty sure diesel fuel oil here is the same as on road diesel.
Don't mind putting lots of power service in in winter. Or even switching to on road diesel in winter as I use the tractors much less then.

* So what's the point in going with on road diesel that is exactly the same as the diesel fuel oil ?
For the life of me I can't see where you would be gaining anything;but you would be paying abou 40 or 50 cents tax on the on road stuff.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #28  
On road is before tax .

Off road is after tax.

That's the only difference.
That's what I understand too, when I was young I worked for an excavator who filled his transfertank w/ on road fuel and the supplier used to refund the road tax every time he filled the tank. He filled his diesel road trucks at the same pump paying the tax....

It seems to me that any fuel not used for on hwy use would not be taxed. At least thats the way it is here in s.c.
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #29  
On road is before tax .

Off road is after tax.

That sounds backward - On road includes taxes, off road does not. That being said, it doesn't explain why the nearest Chevron station to me sells off-road diesel for only 20 cents less than on road, there's more tax difference than that!
 
   / Ideas for fuel transfer??? #30  
That sounds backward - On road includes taxes, off road does not. That being said, it doesn't explain why the nearest Chevron station to me sells off-road diesel for only 20 cents less than on road, there's more tax difference than that!

Depends on the state's fuel tax amount...NJ is $0.1760 per gal while PA is $0.3856 there still may be state sales taxes or other taxes. NJ also has $0.04 a gal bulk sales tax when the fuel leaves the refinery/storage terminal.

The Feds make them add red dye to off road fuel now and the check the saddle tanks on over the road trucks looking for people using 'off road' fuel on the highway to beat the road taxes...
 

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