I messed up the impossible on my 2210

[wickman]

I may have accomplished the impossible on my 2210. I removed my 210 loader to mow. I don't remove my loader that much but I've done it successfully many times before without problem. I removed it successfully and mowed. It was very dark when I went to reinstall the loader and I guess I didn't get the masts lowered far enough down onto the mount points during the reinstall process so when I went to raise the front end to insert the locking pins I heard a bang. I didn't think too much at first but upon further inspection it appears that the masts popped off the correct position on the mounting points and are sitting above the points. See attached. Crazy thing is now I can't get the loader off to get it reinstalled correctly. The two feet that lower won't lower now because the masts won't pivot forward. Has anyone run into this before? It looks like I'm going to need a hoist or another loader to raise the masts manually and hopefully get the feet to lower a bit so I can back the tractor away from the loader and get the loader back into a position to reinstall. I can't believe i managed this one!

 

[KENSFM]

I have a few suggestions, but without actually knowing how hard the masts are wedged on the mounting points I will recommend that you call your dealer. I think in this case it is your best move before any serious damage is done.
Good luck,
Ken /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[beenthere]

I guess you could try the dealer for help.
I think what I would do first, is drive up to a tree, and run a chain from the tree to the top of the mast on each side (protect the tree so the chain doesn't cut into the bark).
Make sure the chains are even.

Then back up, hopefully pulling the mast forward, enough to loosen the 'grip'.

 

[wickman]

Thanks. the masts aren't wedged at this point. They are just resting there but won't rotate forward as the design would require.

Wickman

 

[beenthere]

Possibly the connecting pan that latches to the front weight bracket just needs some encouragement to drop down too. Be sure it is unlatched.
Just go careful.

(and be sure you are 'raising' the bucket to lower those front arms to the ground. it can be backwards to any intuition one has, but 'raising' the bucket will lower the support arms /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif don't ask me how I know please )

Last resort may be to loosen the stubs that are bolted to the tractor (might be impossible to reach them).

 

[JerryG]

Just a thought. If you raise the loader, the frame will tilt forward.

 

[Garrabo]

could you rotate it back with a large pipe wrench

 

[JDFANATIC]

Wickman,

If what you are describing is what I think it is...no big deal...grab two friends (no need to be Arnold look-alikes) and have them lift the loader up (you'll be surprised how easy it is). Anyway, between that and your joystick, back and forth on your hydro, you should be able to get things back in synch! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[trlong]

wickman,

Did you get is back on yet? If not, and not to contradict JDFanatic but;

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If your two friends are holding on to anything on the CUT, or even near the masts or bucket when you work the SCV, I hope you have very good insurance, and their injuries are minor!

What you show in your picture is no big deal. Just work the SCV, and the Fwd/Rev slow and gentle, you'll find the movement that will lift the arms back up (so long as the latch has not dropped and pin is still in the removal, latch up, position).

Since I have very limited areas to drop my 410, it often gets dropped where it's not very flat. JD makes tough loaders, they'll take a bit of pushing and pulling, lifting and easing down, 'til you get the masts back on the support, properly. However, if you don't want any green scratched off, you may want to call the dealer.

IMO, tractors are tools, not toys, especially JD's. They are made to work, not wash, wax and show pictures of. Just go slow.

Just my opinion, and experience with the 4115 and 410.

Tom

 

[trlong]

wickman,

I certainly wouldn't blame you if you went as conservative a route as you deem reasonable. I tend to be a bit hard on my 4115, as shown /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.

In any event, I hope you get it back on without mishap.

Tom

 

[JDFANATIC]

I guess I wasn't as clear as I wanted to be. I was assuming that Wickman's stand was still down and that he couldn't get the boom up higher using the hydraulics (I've had this happen to me -- the area I store my loader is behind my shed, it is covered with bark mulch. So the two feet of the loader stand don't dig in, I rest them on a 4x4. Because the two feet are rounded, they have slipped off). I actually was suggesting that two friends lift the loader and block the stand. Then when everyone is out of the way, use the hydraulics. Again, this might not be the situation Wickman experienced, but it might be.

Safety first!

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

 

[trlong]

JD,

Ah, now I understand what you were saying. Sorry, I'm a bit slow /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. I was just concerned that some one might take it that you were suggesting helpers be moving the loader while the tractor was running. Probably no one else misinterpreted. Hopefully all is back in place by now.

Tom

 

[lance_w]

Just my 2 cents but I would put a bunch of weight in the bucket, then when you raise it it should force the front frame engagement point out.

 

[wickman]

Thanks all for the support. I haven't 'freed' the loader yet but I will attempt it again tonight. For clarification the front feet are in the up position and I could lock the pins if I tried but they are unlocked at the moment. I'm not afraid of scratching paint but am afraid of breaking or bending something. I also don't want to hurt myself in the whole process. If it doesn't work itself free tonight I'm going to call the dealer and have them take care of it as well as a couple of other warranty issues before my two years runs out.

Thanks again,

wickman

 

[trlong]

wickman,

Did you get the masts back on?

Something I missed in your picture is that it looks as though you're on cement. That probably doesn't provide much drag on the bucket. When I've been in a similar situation with the masts, my bucket has been on dirt, providing enough drag for me to tweak the bucket's curled and lift. This has allowed me to back up, or just roll back (neutral) as the bucket dug in and forced the masts back up onto the support beam.

That said, I guess I'd try "beenthere's" approach of chaining to a tree if you can get to one or, just take a small wedge of wood under, or over, a pry bar, wedging it between the beam and the mast and lift one side at a time (this being a one person variation of JDFanatic's "two friends" approach). Shouldn't take much to lift a side up and forward. Good luck and go slow and safe, however you proceed.

Tom

 

[dfestus]

I have had this occur twice on my 2210 / 210 loader during install. I got out of it without problem by following the removal proceedure and then re mounting the loader. Mine appeard to be stuck but working the scv I managed to get it off.

It sounds like yours is really stuck. Is it possible that you did not approach the loader straight on ? I think that was my problem.

Good luck.

 

[wickman]

I managed to fix my issue over the weekend so I'll post my 'resolution.' In fact I could have bypassed this golden learning opportunity if I would have just done the prescribed maintenance that the manual spells out quite clearly. BAsically the adjustment bolts on the FEL loosened up enough to slip jst enough to mess up the loader when I put it on the last time. The FEL was bound up this time by the front point where the latches engage. I simply loosened the volts more and worked the SCV until the front feet dropped. Then I installed the FEL again like the manual says in the assembly section, tightening the bolts at the end. If I just would have tightened the bolts according to the maintenance schedule then I would been OK.

Thanks for all the help,

wickman

 

[JDFANATIC]

Glad the fix was quick and painless! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[trlong]

wickman,

Glad you got it on with no mishap. Thank you for posting the "cure". I think I'd better re-read my FEL manual to see what maintainence, other than grease and lube, I should be doing on a regular basis.

Tom