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Honey Dealer

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I am receiving quotes on a new 4520 open station.
Which field conversion kits do I need to have a 4-in-1 bucket on the front and the top and tilt on the back?
Do I need:
4th and 5th selective control valves
Electric diverter kit
Electrohydraulic third scv kit
Top and tilt kit
And third function hydraulic lines and hoses as an option with the 4-in-1 bucket
 
/ Hydraulic questions #2  
I am receiving quotes on a new 4520 open station.
Which field conversion kits do I need to have a 4-in-1 bucket on the front and the top and tilt on the back?
Do I need:
4th and 5th selective control valves
Electric diverter kit
Electrohydraulic third scv kit
Top and tilt kit
And third function hydraulic lines and hoses as an option with the 4-in-1 bucket


You would go with the Electrohydraulic third scv kit and third function hydraulic lines and hoses as an option with the 4-in-1 bucket. That is what I did on my 4520.

Tractor must be equipped with a third SCV.
If used with skid steer attachments, couplers will not match. The following parts are required to convert for this application:

1- KV14216
1- KV15976
2- AT191333
 
/ Hydraulic questions #3  
If you don't mind, let me know what that John Deere OEM top and tilt kit runs you.
 
/ Hydraulic questions #4  
You would go with the Electrohydraulic third scv kit and third function hydraulic lines and hoses as an option with the 4-in-1 bucket. That is what I did on my 4520.

Tractor must be equipped with a third SCV.
If used with skid steer attachments, couplers will not match. The following parts are required to convert for this application:

1- KV14216
1- KV15976
2- AT191333



He will also need the 4th and 5th functions to utilize with the top and tilt.

Basically you want three circuits in front for boom, curl and auxillary for bucket. You need thee circuits in back, for toplink, sidelink and the additional for graderblade angling or hysraulic scarfiers or any others you can think of.

I use two rear circuits for topntilt all the time, the third set I need about 25 to 30% of the time.
 
/ Hydraulic questions #5  
EH 3rd function and hard line / hose kit for the 4 in 1.
 
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Honey Dealer said:
I am receiving quotes on a new 4520 open station.
Which field conversion kits do I need to have a 4-in-1 bucket on the front and the top and tilt on the back?
Do I need:
4th and 5th selective control valves
Electric diverter kit
Electrohydraulic third scv kit
Top and tilt kit
And third function hydraulic lines and hoses as an option with the 4-in-1 bucket

So I need everything I listed besides the diverter kit?
 
/ Hydraulic questions #7  
Honey Dealer said:
So I need everything I listed besides the diverter kit?

Correct. For your top and tilt you need either the 4th and 5th hydraulics or the diverter kit. Not both.

The diverter you would hit a switch and you would divert from the loader to the rear and use the joy stick to do the top and tilt.
The separate 4 and 5 there will be two additional levers on you right hand side.

Either will accomplish your task, would be whatever you prefer.
 
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This forum is an excellent resource. You fine folks know more than the dealer.
 
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This forum is an excellent resource. You fine folks know more than the dealer.

I think that you will find that between all the knowledge of TBN, you would be hard pressed to find a dealer that knows as much. Of course we are talking about the experience of thousands vs one. ;)
 
/ Hydraulic questions #10  
To build it out here are the numbers off of JD's website.

LVB26032 - $1,011 EH 3rd function kit for open station. What you will get is a switch on the console by the cruise switch that activates it. A valve and couplers that are on the left side ROPS, you can see in my pictures above. And the the thumb switch on the joystick you can see in my pictures. This is the hydraulics you will want to operate your 4 in 1. You can open and close it with your thumb while manipulating the loader with the joystick. You will like this. It also includes a weather proof 12 volt outlet they mount by the cup holder, make sure they do this, it comes with the kit but they have to drill the hole to put it in. I used a hole saw worked perfectly.

Code 9049 or bundle BW16139 - $361 - hardline and hose kit with couplers to run your 3rd function to the front of the loader. You can also see this in my pictures above. You will get the hard lines and hoses that bring the couplers up to the right hand side of the loader. You will get a new bracket where the loader couplers are so that you can quick disconnect this if you remove the loader. You will get the hoses from the bracket and couplers to run to the rear and plug into the 3rd function mounted on the ROPS, you can see in my pictures above.

LVB296161 - $1,124 Top and Tilt kit. This will be two cylinders and hoses and attaching hardware to make up the top and tilt for the 3pt hitch. It says you need diverter, but read on below.

Here is where you need to make a choice. How do you want to control the top and tilt. With the diverter, you will hit a switch and then the loader is inactive and the joystick will control the top and tilt cylinders in the rear. This may be a good option since the joystick is ergonomic and intuitive, move it left and right to tilt left and right. Move it forward and backward to angle up or down. If you go this route it will be kit LVB26077 and will cost $1,344.

Now, you can add the 4th and 5th separte valves and control the top and tilt with these, the kit is LVB26037 and cost is $775. The catch on this is that you will control your top and tilt with two levers. If you think you will be turned sideways in the seat looking back a lot while using them (running a boxblade or rear blade) this may not be a bad option either. Picture of the levers is below.

Basic difference between the diverter option and the 4 and 5 option is with diverter you do ALL hydraulic functions with the joystick and you can't top and tilt and run loader at the same time (not a big deal, you don't have enought hands - I hope - to be able to do that with either). 4 and 5 you will control your top and tilt with two extra levers on the right and a little cheaper.

Other options I would consider while you are building it out -
Ehydro - It is awesome, I love it.

Armrest kit, I wish I had gotten this, I will be ordering and installing it soon.

Front and rear worklights, I did not order this. I did install rear worklights on mine using the factory harness, only reason I did not go factory I had two new LED tractor worklights I got free, so far so good. I end up feeding roudbales a lot at night since I have a day job. Front headlights are useless with a round bale on the spear out front.

If you have any more questions let me know, I have a 2011 model 4120 open station I got about this time last year. It is the same as what you are getting just less horsepower.
 
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If I go the diverter route is there any point in getting the 4th and 5th SCV? I suppose the more hydraulic options the better.
 
/ Hydraulic questions #13  
Many upper level implements have hydraulics. Snow blower chute, rear blade, industrial quality box blade to name a few. You don't want to be limited with what you will be able to use. Get them now and be happy later that you did. ;)
 
/ Hydraulic questions #14  
I, and many of the other owner's of the JD110TLB have the 3-function diverter via the FEL joystick.

It's a great setup! However, I will admit to some frustration with using it... in the heat of battle; I will sometimes forget which end of the tractor is energized - the front loader or the rear SCV's.

Quickly remedied after some initial confusion, certainly.

That said; if I had the option of choosing - I'd take the EH 4th and 5th SCV's - with external levers. There are times when I'm moving snow; in particular, with a rear blade and TnT that I need to use the loader at the same time as I'm adjusting the rear blade. The tractor is moving and switching back and forth either stalls the loader operation or the rear blade adjustment. Would not have that issue with seperate controls.

My $0.02.

AKfish
 
/ Hydraulic questions #15  
I, and many of the other owner's of the JD110TLB have the 3-function diverter via the FEL joystick.

It's a great setup! However, I will admit to some frustration with using it... in the heat of battle; I will sometimes forget which end of the tractor is energized - the front loader or the rear SCV's.

Quickly remedied after some initial confusion, certainly.

That said; if I had the option of choosing - I'd take the EH 4th and 5th SCV's - with external levers. There are times when I'm moving snow; in particular, with a rear blade and TnT that I need to use the loader at the same time as I'm adjusting the rear blade. The tractor is moving and switching back and forth either stalls the loader operation or the rear blade adjustment. Would not have that issue with seperate controls.

My $0.02.

AKfish

In my (very) short time with my 110 I find this to be more than true. Couldn't tell you how many times I've already dropped the loader while meaning to adjust the hydraulic TL. I do like it for it's simplicity (and the ability to be lazier without having to move your hand). I've also (maybe there's a trick) had a tougher time relieving pressure on the lines with the diverter valve than a lever like on my 3120. That said, I'd rather have the diverter valve any day. Plus, when you want a 4in1 or a grapple upfront, you have the controls already there:thumbsup:
 
/ Hydraulic questions #16  
I have a 3520 deluxe cab on order with the 3rd SVC and the "Third Function Hydraulic Lines and Hoses". The dealer will connect to the 4-in-1 bucket I have ordered also. However I have a AF11E front blade with hydraulic angle that I'm keeping from my 790 and I will need at least one Quick disconnect to make it work because the AF11E has two female quick disconnects and I can see that the 3rd function lines have a male and a female. Does anyone know what parts I need to get?

Thanks,
 

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