hydraulic logging winch

justforme · Mar 23, 2005

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I didn't read about your winch test. Were you able to load the winch and work it to see what happened? )

i loaded it and ran it for five minutes or so.

i'll more than likely only be winching for less then five minutes at a time.

then i'll be transporting it to a bucking area, bucking it and going back for another.

thanks for the input, i'll be keeping a close eye on the temp.

slowzuki · Mar 23, 2005

The logging winch load isn't continuous. It would not be a problem. The fluid capacity is pretty large. If you plumbed up something with an orifice in it and ran it continuous it would heat you out in a hurry.

rdbrumfield · Mar 23, 2005

I have an 8000lb hyd winch that I use in my loader. I have never had a heating problem with the hydraulics. Even on full pulls of the line, 75ft, I don't notice any heat. The winch it'self will warm up some, but not the hyd oil. One thing I have to ask. Do you have a way to freespool the winch or do you have to play out the line with the hyd motor, and is the load held by the motor, or do you have a locking lug to hold the load?

justforme · Mar 24, 2005

( I have an 8000lb hyd winch that I use in my loader. I have never had a heating problem with the hydraulics. Even on full pulls of the line, 75ft, I don't notice any heat. The winch it'self will warm up some, but not the hyd oil. One thing I have to ask. Do you have a way to freespool the winch or do you have to play out the line with the hyd motor, and is the load held by the motor, or do you have a locking lug to hold the load? )

yes it has a free spool and the load is held in place by the motor.

additionally i have an electric winch receiver mounted on the front of the tractor.

Darren · Mar 24, 2005

Unless you were running the winch all day. I doubt you would have any problems. Most of the pto logging winches come standard with at least 150' of cable and depending on cable size can accommodate 400'. For a pull that long, I'd be concerned about heat build up with a hydraulic setup. I'm not sure how you'd know when the tractor transmission was getting cooked since a tractor, especially on a hot day, puts out quite a bit of heat anyway.

I was considering running an auger with an hydraulic motor of about 1/3 hp to load lime when I was warned. One of my future projects is to add a transmission temp gauge to a Kubota hydrostatic just to check baseline temps.

notamustang · Mar 24, 2005

What about using a cooler/radiator on the return line? They have small fans that you could adpat from a car and have the cooler situated with your attachment so it would only be in use with that item. Easier to do with a logging winch than a PHD though /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. Just thinking aloud /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

justforme · Mar 24, 2005

( Unless you were running the winch all day. I doubt you would have any problems. Most of the pto logging winches come standard with at least 150' of cable and depending on cable size can accommodate 400'. For a pull that long, I'd be concerned about heat build up with a hydraulic setup. I'm not sure how you'd know when the tractor transmission was getting cooked since a tractor, especially on a hot day, puts out quite a bit of heat anyway.

I was considering running an auger with an hydraulic motor of about 1/3 hp to load lime when I was warned. One of my future projects is to add a transmission temp gauge to a Kubota hydrostatic just to check baseline temps. )

it would be easy to add a gauge in line on one of the winch motor lines.

i might even all ready have a gauge to rig up.

on another note i don't have a hydrostatic transmission.

justforme · Mar 24, 2005

( What about using a cooler/radiator on the return line? They have small fans that you could adpat from a car and have the cooler situated with your attachment so it would only be in use with that item. Easier to do with a logging winch than a PHD though /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. Just thinking aloud /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif )

while the motor does have a free spool mode it can also be run in both directions, so a special high pressure cooler would be needed.

slowzuki · Mar 24, 2005

Sorry, he doesn't need a cooler, there are many commercial hydraulic logging winches around, none with a cooler.

Even the little milemarker winches on pickups with 1/2 quart reservoir get by although many add coolers to those.

The tractor holds what 10 gallons of hydraulic fluid? Some already have a cooler too.

Darren · Mar 24, 2005

Ten gallons of hydraulic fluid may be enough. The hydraulics on commercial machines are designed with the potential heat load in mind. I've also got a Unimog which has a hydraulic system with a five gal. capacity. I was also warned about overheating the hydraulic system on that tractor after I called a Unimg specialist on an unrelated matter and mentioned the 20T winch mounted on the back deck above the 3 pt hitch.

If you have a commercial machine or one with lots of hydraulic fluid in the system you might be safe. A $20 gauge to monitor trans temp is still cheaper than an overhaul to repair cooked seals. The other point is if someone does cook the seals on a tractor under warranty while using a non-approved device, do you think the manufacturer will honor the warranty?

I once ran a 76 B300 Dodge van down the road with a triaxle trailer loaded with a camping trailer filled with furniture not to mention the load in the truck. I was hauling 16,000+ lbs. I had a trans cooler with temp gauges monitoring the temps in and out on the cooler. That saved my bacon on the Pennsylvania hills. I could see the input temp into the cooler climbing. Even with a cooler, it won't do you any good when the temp in the tranny starts to reach the brakedown point of the fluid. I kept pulling over and letting everything cool down. I made it to the end of my trip of 1,200 miles without blowing the tranny. In fact when the truck died in a head-on with 140K, the tranny had never been touched other than fluid and filter changes.

I'm a firm believer in gauges.