Hydraulic Haywire

jwcinpk · Sep 8, 2005

I raised my bushhog up on the back of the 6000 and now it won't go back down. Any ideas what could be wrong? Only 358 hours and it won't start by the key again and now the hydraulics. To add insult to injury the dealer said he couldn't come here and even trouble shoot what was wrong. I'll have to pay him to haul it the 60 miles to his shop and haul it back. Once this thing is fixed it will belong to someone else regardless of loss!

Bird · Sep 8, 2005

Joel, you should have a hitch lowering speed adjustment knob. I'm not sure where it is on your tractor, but I'm accustomed to it being below the front of the seat, down near the floor behind and between your feet. If it gets closed, the 3-point hitch will not lower. Just "unscrew" it a ways; i.e., turn it counterclockwise. And if that isn't the problem, then I don't know.

jwcinpk · Sep 8, 2005

Thanks for the suggestion, but that's not it. It seems the tractor is still trying to lift the arms. The hoses to the fel pulse and the arms surge. Fluid is full.

Tim_in_IA · Sep 8, 2005

what is the position of the draft control lever? If it's not down, push it all the way down.

what do you mean it wont start by the key? How do you start it? When did this begin to happen?

jwcinpk · Sep 9, 2005

This is the 3rd time it fails to start with key. 2 previous starters replaced. I can roll it off. Amps show fine but it just goes click and nothing. Starter is hot afterwards leading me to believe it is another starter.
Draft lever is down. 3 point lever is down. It's almost like the lever is not turning what it should inside. Implement is at full height.
The good part is it's only been a week since I called the dealer and he's still a no show! I need a good swift kick in the behind for dealing with them. I spent $45000 with him 2 years ago only to start my tractor with a screwdriver all summer before he finally came and put a starter on.

Tim_in_IA · Sep 9, 2005

Umm .. yikes. Sorry to hear about that. Sounds like you should be contacting a Mahindra rep if you arent getting service. Maybe you've done this already.. . I'm sure you checked the levers already to make sure something hasn't worked loose. Sounds like you have a good handle on the situation but bad dealer support.

BobG_in_VA · Sep 9, 2005

If its not the isolation valve (ie. its open) and you FEL lines are pulsing, it sound like an issue with the FEL. As you know the same pump runs both the 3ph and FEL. Is your joystick stuck in one postion?? Check underneath the joystick and make sure all the valves are opening/closing properly. It sounds like one is stuck open. Bobg in VA

justinbechard · Sep 9, 2005

i had a similar starting problem with my 2810 and its less than a year old. come to find out the computer was bad. My dealer came out diagnosed the problem picked the tracter up. called him on a friday, he picked it up on monday. had the tractor back in a week, only because the part was shipped. All this at no cost to me.

justinbechard · Sep 9, 2005

when you say you will be selling it regardless of the loss what would the price be, just thinking out loud.

fish_wisperer · Sep 9, 2005

boy,,,,,i would be hotter than a fire cracker! these things probably wouldnt be that big a deal if you had dealer support. i noticed on your personal info the hour meter quit working to. you probably work too much to have the time to spend hours on the phone holding people accountable.. i think alot of buisnesses count on that.

jwcinpk · Sep 9, 2005

Yeah I work a lot. Then on top of that I try to farm. That's exactly why I bought new equipment. Had I known things would be as they are I would have saved the money and bought used. Then I might not have been so upset to have to work on it.
The fel works fine nothing is stuck there. Just the lines pulse. It's like the tractor is continuing to try to lift the 3 pt arms. I can't find anything wrong. If it weren't for knowing I'll most likely be without a tractor for a while when the dealer finally does come get it I wouldn't fool with it. But since I know it will take them forever to do anything I figure I'll try to troubleshoot it myself.
I geuss this is the excuse I been looking for to buy the John Deere I always wanted.

jwcinpk · Sep 10, 2005

Further inspected the situation today. Rolled my tractor off (since it won't start at the key) and the hydraulics didn't immediatly raise what had leaked off. They won't go any lower though. With the isolation valve on they won't move in response to the lever at all, so it is working. However if you have it off and pull the lever up a little it raises to full height immediatly and tries to keep going thus pulsing the fel lines and whining at the arms. It would seem something in the down control or the release at the pump is malfunctioning. Gonna call the dealer today just to ask again when he is gonna come get it.

cyberkrazze · Sep 14, 2005

Keep in mind, Mahindra doesn't cover pick-up and deliver charges under warranty, no matter what the circumstance is. I've tried hard to get these charges myself on warranty claims. Sounds like your dealer would service the unit if you could get it to him. Why would you expect more from a dealer?

jwcinpk · Sep 14, 2005

Have you hauled a 6000 lately? It is a pretty heavy pull. I spent over $40000 with this dealer last year and he can't come pick up my tractor? I see the Deere and MF, Kubota dealer in and out of here all the time to do service on their machines. You would think a dealer would appreciate the guy who is willing to pay him to service his tractor, as was the agreement when I bought it. We discussed specifically that I wanted him to come and service it while it was under warranty thus there would be no question about trouble if I had it. Oh yeah by the way how am I gonna start the pos once I haul it to the dealer you have to roll it off? Bottom line the guy should service the junk he sells!

JerryG · Sep 14, 2005

I don't know how the hydraulics are plumbed on that model of tractor. But, if it isn't the lower speed control, I would check to see if it is a hydraulic quick disconnect unhooked. Just because they look to be connected doesn't mean they are. Push each set together or take them a part and then reconnect them.

wallace · Sep 14, 2005

( I geuss this is the excuse I been looking for to buy the John Deere. )

I hope you don't think you are not going to have problems with the Deeres

wiam · Sep 14, 2005

My dealer has picked up my tractor, 6500 4WD three times and brought it back on warranty issues. This has not cost me anything out of pocket. When they had it for 3 weeks they brought another tractor to hay with. I would buy another tractor from Riverside Equipment in Berlin, VT.

Will

Tim_in_IA · Sep 14, 2005

I agree. My Mahindra dealer assured me that the transportation for warranty repairs would be covered by them. I don't think most people who use a tractor will have a full outfit for highway transport. I can't speak for whether mahindra covers this in the warranty or not. If they don't, the dealer should be figuring this cost into the final sale price.

Keith_B · Sep 15, 2005

( I agree. My Mahindra dealer assured me that the transportation for warranty repairs would be covered by them. I don't think most people who use a tractor will have a full outfit for highway transport. I can't speak for whether mahindra covers this in the warranty or not. If they don't, the dealer should be figuring this cost into the final sale price.

)

Transport isn't covered under warranty, but a lot of dealers will do it for free.

In regards to the 3PH, it sounds like a valve problem to me, maybe even a clogged screen or filter.

jwcinpk · Sep 30, 2005

UPDATE:
Talked with the dealer today and was told starter has been replaced and they are waiting on parts for the hydraulics. Seems a piston stuck somewhere and now they need a new pistons and sleeve. Said it should be ready in about a week. I'm still not happy period but I'm somewhat appeased. Talked to the owner/ dealer today and he was very apoligetic about how things had gone.