How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals?

   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #131  
Every single living thing on this planet has DNA mutations that were "never part of the original DNA sequence of that species". The whole "FrankenFoods" hysteria is a confabulation of concerns, some real and some just flat out ridiculous. Your great grandparents would think virtually ALL the produce in our supermarkets today was "FrankenFood"! The genetic manipulation of food has been going on for millennia. Have you ever seen what corn looked like when first cultivated? We have Neanderthal DNA in our own bodies. DNA is DNA. It's what the DNA codes for that counts, not where it came from.

....And have those mutations always been benign.... that we should embrace messing with the DNA sequence - then consuming it!

-DNA is DNA -- rather an over simplification.

We are just discovering genotyping.

Altering gene sequences is not an exact, quantifiable science - far from it! We are still unraveling a mystery. This same callous disregard for potential outcomes gave us our toxic chemical outcomes. You'd think we would learn from experience and not have to play catch up again.

Monsanto sees profit and they use hired guns to ensure it.


Look at all of the screwed up DNA gene sequences in humans and the related illnesses and you still think messing with DNA is harmless - if you know what it codes for! Its expression. Well there is the difficulty!
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #132  
....And have those mutations always been benign.... that we should embrace messing with the DNA sequence - then consuming it!

-DNA is DNA -- rather an over simplification.

We are just discovering genotyping.

Altering gene sequences is not an exact, quantifiable science - far from it! We are still unraveling a mystery. This same callous disregard for potential outcomes gave us our toxic chemical outcomes. You'd think we would learn from experience and not have to play catch up again.

Monsanto sees profit and they use hired guns to ensure it.


Look at all of the screwed up DNA gene sequences in humans and the related illnesses and you still think messing with DNA is harmless - if you know what it codes for! Its expression. Well there is the difficulty!

Actually, genetic manipulation of plants, fungi and bacteria is pretty darn precise these days. They don't just generally create mutations and screen for desirable qualities any more. It is perfectly possible and common to identify the exact gene you want in one species and then insert that gene into another. It isn't like building a house but there isn't a whole lot of "luck" involved these days. What takes time is all the testing afterwards.

I also despise Monsanto but there are so many potential uses for GM technology that you cannot just throw the baby out with the bath water. The Frankenfoods hysteria is exactly like the fears people had in the early 1970's when the first bacterial gene splicing projects were proposed. We now have many many important products available to us because of that technology and there hasn't been any "frankenbacteria" that has taken over the world.
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #133  
An alternative product enhancement approach being used today is called tissue culture technology...different than artificial gene splicing it is the breaking down of a plant to the individual cell level, then multiple cells are reproduced, analyzed and then selected for desired traits research hope to achieve.

Cover story on the VGN this month issue

Vegetable Growers News » Magazine » Article »
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #134  
I love cooking. Grew up cooking and worked my first 7 years in kitchens. I cook dinner more than my wife does. She's a good cook, too, though. I get the same joy from cooking implements as other quality tools. I spent years building my collection at antique stores, goodwills, garage sales, etc. I have many nice All-Clad pans, a few Le Creusets, one very nice copper and stainless Mauviel, and many vintage cast iron pans. Also, I have many nice kitchen knives including one custom Japanese knife 11.5" long and razor sharp. It's made of Aogami Super Steel hardened to 61 Rockwell and sharpened with a 22 degree inclusive bevel. I certainly don't need all of these great tools, but they greatly increase the joy I get out of spending time in the kitchen. To that end, I usually bring my own kitchen stuff when I'm going to family gatherings. It's just better that way.
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #135  
Oh, guess I didn't realize that this had turned into a conversation about GMOs. GMOs are bad for the little guy. If they would just label the darned things and let the consumer decide whether or not to eat them we probably wouldn't even need to have this conversation. This is one situation where I'm confident the "invisible hand" of the market would sort things out... If only they'd label them.
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #136  
The issue I have with GM grains is that their supposed benefits are narrowly evaluated. The implementation of Roundup resistant grains has caused much more herbicide use and more strictly mono-culture fields. Neither of those is a good result. A diverse biome cannot be supported by vast sterile swathes of mono-culture crops.

A weed here and there is not the end of the world and is actually a necessity. As weeds have developed resistance to Roundup, substitute herbicides are being introduced. Is this really a good trade-off? Do the benefits justify the means? I cannot see how they would. Developing nations cannot afford the GM seeds without subsidies and they cannot be saved for planting next years crop. When they can afford them, the result is heavy use of herbicides which will eventually be replaced with other herbicides.

GM wheat is not yet a commercial crop. But look at the history below of heritage wheat grains, and their characteristics of more nutrition and more and distinct flavors, that were set aside for the sake of industrial flour milling years ago. Just like GM seeds, the narrow focus is on cheap production.

About Wheat | Anson Mills - Artisan Mill Goods from Organic Heirloom Grains
Roller milling, which was introduced to America in the early 19th century as a tool of mass production, brought about a revolution that took wheat production away from landrace farming. In New York’s Genesee Valley, farmers and bakers nearly rioted when operators of roller mills refused their wheat. This was the first time the industrialization of wheat met with resistance on a large scale. The uprising was ultimately quelled by military intervention, but American farmers as far away as Kansas continued to resist industrialization well into the 1870s. After that point, most of the landrace wheat production in America simply disappeared because mills would not accept the grain.

Roller milling involves rolling the outer bran layer off the kernel, scalping the germ (where all of the flavor and most of the nutritional oils reside), and then milling the starchy endosperm that remains into flour. The process punishes grains to such a degree that thin-branned kernels of traditional landrace wheats are destroyed by roller mills; only wheat varieties with extraordinarily thick bran layers—many of which are the product of scientific development—can survive the operation. Roller milling creates ultraprocessed, refined flour, drop-dead consistent for baking and totally stable for distribution and storage. In fact, roller-milled flour has itself dropped dead in a way, as it contains no nutrition except carbohydrates and must be fortified with synthetic vitamins to be classified as food.

And along with thick bran comes high tannin concentration. The red landrace varieties used to develop modern wheats derive their color from highly tannic pigment that resides in the bran; thick-branned modern wheats, then, contain large amounts of tannins. Tannins are extremely bitter, and the energy exchange between kernel and machine during bran and germ extraction is so massive that the milled flour is left with residual bitterness.

Common white flour is no exception to the rule—it, too, suffers from this residual bitterness. Though roller milling produces refined white flour as an end product, it is standard industrial process for wheat flour of any kind. To make what the industry calls whole wheat flour (as opposed to nutritionally intact whole grain flour), the scalped bran layer is ground up and mixed back into the milled, bolted white flour, without the flavorful and nutritious germ.
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #137  
Oh, guess I didn't realize that this had turned into a conversation about GMOs. GMOs are bad for the little guy. If they would just label the darned things and let the consumer decide whether or not to eat them we probably wouldn't even need to have this conversation. This is one situation where I'm confident the "invisible hand" of the market would sort things out... If only they'd label them.

We are what we eat, including Roundup.

To stay on track, I enjoy cooking. I baked a blueberry pie today, the crust was made using the recipe in my 1965 edition of the Betty Crocker Cookbook as usual. I also had a can of sweet cherries that was getting old, so I made some pie dough turnover things with the cherries.

The problem is, I don't need the calories. :laughing: The more I cook the fatter I get in winter.
 
   / How many of you guys here really, really enjoy cooking and planning meals? #138  
We are what we eat, including Roundup.


As it stands now many people can't even pronounce most of the artificial ingredients listed on a processed food product let alone know what they are or if they are good or bad without extensive research

Honestly how many ingredients should peanut butter really have? :rolleyes:
 
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