High Horsepower CUT

[arlen4720]

Also from what I've read on the kioti site their 60hp hst only has 43hp at the pto. That's hardly anymore than my mx5100 kubota.

If the OP needs 60HP at the PTO, then I think the JD4720 at 58+ is the only act in town (for now).

 

[Mike476]

Frame size wise, what size Kubota or Deere frame does this compare to? Is it more like the L5740, M7040, or M8540?

I love the sounds of that QPS transmission but I didn't think they offered it in a smaller sized tractor.

For the frame size here it is next to my 1/2 ton Ram 1500.

From what I've read the QPS won't be offered in the new 1700 series, which is replacing the 1600 series (tier IV). So far I have no complaints at all with it, great range control, 12 speeds, smooth transitions from forward to reverse and a lot of grunt when I've needed it.

 

[GManBart]

Also from what I've read on the kioti site their 60hp hst only has 43hp at the pto. That's hardly anymore than my mx5100 kubota.

It's actually 48.3hp at the PTO.

 

[Dizno]

It's actually 48.3hp at the PTO.

Depends if it is a cab or open station. The open station NX6010H has 43.1 PTO hp. The cab has NX6010CH Utility tractor, which really is not a compact, has 48.3hp.

 

[GManBart]

Depends if it is a cab or open station. The open station NX6010H has 43.1 PTO hp. The cab has NX6010CH Utility tractor, which really is not a compact, has 48.3hp.

The link was to the NX6010CH, with 48.3hp at the PTO, not the N6010H.

The dimensions, and weight, are essentially identical to that of the Kubota L6060 previously mentioned....less than 200lbs difference, same wheelbase, similar overall length (although Kubota gives their length w/o the 3pt, and similar width....so if it fits, so does the Kioti. There is usually overlap between the various groupings of SCUT, CUT, and Utility. The biggest of one type is often as big as the smallest of the next larger group.

 

[Dizno]

Don't think the thread was about overlaps of hp on tractor categories. Man is thinking about a 4020 JD from my understanding.

 

[k0ua]

Don't think the thread was about overlaps of hp on tractor categories. Man is thinking about a 4020 JD from my understanding.

He asked for other brands with HST and near that amount of HP. So I provided him a link of something close.

 

[GManBart]

Don't think the thread was about overlaps of hp on tractor categories. Man is thinking about a 4020 JD from my understanding.

The OP mentioned the L6060, so clearly machines in that size/class fit what he's interested in, and he asked about similar machines from other manufacturers. The linked Kioti is virtually identical in size.

Come on man, stop trying to manufacture corrections and start debates...it does nothing to help the forum, or the OP. Maybe try contributing to a thread for a change, and throw out your recommendation to fit the OP's question?

 

[Dizno]

The OP mentioned the L6060, so clearly machines in that size/class fit what he's interested in, and he asked about similar machines from other manufacturers. The linked Kioti is virtually identical in size.

Come on man, stop trying to manufacture corrections and start debates...it does nothing to help the forum, or the OP. Maybe try contributing to a thread for a change, and throw out your recommendation to fit the OP's question?

Please do not taint my good name with this accusation - my point is comparing a utility tractor to a CUT is not the same thing. CUTs you pay a premium for their versatility.

GManBart, you will notice you never agree with anything I say because you are categorical in your thinking - anti JD and anti JD dealers.

My recommendation is a good used 4720.

 

[TSO]

Jeez guys ... the point is he was asking about HIGH HORSEPOWER HST TRACTORS !!! That's it!

Who cares which category it falls into?

 

[GManBart]

my point is comparing a utility tractor to a CUT is not the same thing. CUTs you pay a premium for their versatility.

The OP simply asked if there were any other HST tractors over 60hp....no mention of size category. Pretty simple really.

 

[Dizno]

The OP simply asked if there were any other HST tractors over 60hp....no mention of size category. Pretty simple really.

He also mentioned that, although has the money for a new 4720, he is looking for maybe a used one or as pointed out, another alternative 60hp host for snowblower.

My point is that $ for $ of hp, SCUT would be highest, then CUT, and finally UT.

All I am saying.

 

[ME83]

The OP simply asked if there were any other HST tractors over 60hp....no mention of size category. Pretty simple really.

Yes, this is all I was asking. Thank you.

I have considered the M59, but still a little shy on pto power. The 4720 was tested at 59 pto hp, Kubota claims about 45 on the M59. I just wish Kubota submitted their tractors to the Nebraska testing.

I looked into putting a turbo on the 110 but couldn't find any info on the tranny for the 110. The Yanmar TNV engines are turbocharged in some configurations, so that part isn't as difficult aside from the fab work. Just not sure what power the tractor will take and there isn't much room under that hood.

 

[dbaer78]

I've noticed quite a few people wanting bigger hst tractors lately. I hope the manufacturers start picking up on this too... I mean good grief I run a 180 hp 24 ton dozer at work that's hydrostatic surely they can pull off a Hst tractor that's 60 or more hp at the pto!

 

[dbaer78]

It's actually 48.3hp at the PTO.

Thanks for the correction. I find it funny there's that much difference between the cab and open station tractors....I would hope the 43 hp is a typo.

 

[Piston]

I've noticed quite a few people wanting bigger hst tractors lately. I hope the manufacturers start picking up on this too...

I'm with you, although I think I'd rather a true powershift style transmission in a utility sized tractor rather than HST. I'd like the ability to not run at high RPM all the time, but never have to use the clutch to shift, whether it be gears or ranges.

As nice as the M59 is, it's not really a viable option for someone wanting near 60hp at the PTO. I really wish manufacturers would use either the PTO hp or drawbar hp as a standard to rate the tractors. The fact that the engine puts out 55 or 60hp or whatever, is immaterial and useless information.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

I'm with you, although I think I'd rather a true powershift style transmission in a utility sized tractor rather than HST. I'd like the ability to not run at high RPM all the time, but never have to use the clutch to shift, whether it be gears or ranges.

As nice as the M59 is, it's not really a viable option for someone wanting near 60hp at the PTO. I really wish manufacturers would use either the PTO hp or drawbar hp as a standard to rate the tractors. The fact that the engine puts out 55 or 60hp or whatever, is immaterial and useless information.

I agree completely on the hydraulic shuttle on a utility tractor. If/when I ever go up to that size, that's what I'll be looking for.

One thing I've noticed on Drawbar vs. PTO horsepower is that a lot of OLD tractors had MORE PTO horsepower than drawbar HP. For example, TractorData.com shows the John Deere 4020 tested at 84 drawbar HP and 96 PTO hp. The Farmall 806 was about the same.

 

[GManBart]

I've noticed quite a few people wanting bigger hst tractors lately. I hope the manufacturers start picking up on this too... I mean good grief I run a 180 hp 24 ton dozer at work that's hydrostatic surely they can pull off a Hst tractor that's 60 or more hp at the pto!

Yeah, you wouldn't think 60-85hp or so would be all that difficult! It might be one of those things that once you go beyond a certain size, they jump in price significantly....not a big deal on a $500K dozer, but a big deal on a $50K tractor.

 

[dbaer78]

I'm a believer in power shuttle as well but I wish they could do hst on small tractors like they do on the Deere dozers I've run. It's hydrostatic drive but operates as a shuttle so to speak. The power management system makes it the berries. In a speed range from 1 to 3 you can drop the blade wide open at travel speed and start cutting dirt and the pumps adjust to engine load instantly without having to manually reduce speed in any way. This is similar to hst+ on the kubotas but still better. It could be this technology is still to expensive for utility tractors though.

 

[TSO]

I believe Massey/Iseki also has an HST system with the anti-stall feature, that adds RPM's automatically to match speed.

That's a feature I'd like to see in a 60 HP, small utility sized tractor, with a utility sized loader that lifts over 3000 lbs & with breakout over 5000 lbs, to 108" height or higher.

Being a happy LS customer, I'd probably trade in tomorrow if they offered that HST on the U5030 or XU5065 .