Help with new ym226D purchase

[California]

The tractor hesitates after you put it in gear before it starts moving

That's a feature, not a bug!

They are designed that way to accomplish the heavy load of spinning your tiller or shredder up to working rpm before the load of getting the tractor moving is encountered. The pto is a direct gear-to-gear mechanical drive when you engage the clutch, then there is some sort of restrictor valve that is slow to (hydraulically) engage the Powershift's internal clutches as the transmission's internal hydraulic pump comes up to full pressure.

My YM186D works this way, and this gives it pretty near the same usable horsepower as my larger YM240 with gear drive whose pto and wheels start rotating at the same time. I share a 4 ft rotary mower and 54 inch tiller between them. The delay in the Powershift on the little one makes up most of the 5 hp difference when starting mowing uphill for example. This intentional feature is described in the YM186D sales brochure.

 

[S Putnik]

My understanding is that Yanmars with four digit model numbers are rated by PTO horsepower and three digit model numbers are rated by engine horsepower. If that is true, in your case you would be trading down about 4Hp for two machines with 22 as the first digits in the model number.

 

[California]

Isn't the YM2210 22Hp at the PTO and the YM226 22 gross engine Hp?

That's what I've read. For the Japan market, the hp out the pto is the advertised feature and also used in the model number - because a rice tiller needs some specified horsepower to turn it and that's what the customer is looking for.

In contrast for the US market, test-bench hp for the naked engine is the advertised number and the model number. What gets out the pto will be some 4 hp less for this size tractor.

 

[winston1]

I would put my money on the 226d pulling the 2210 back wards. I don't think the 4 more horsepower or whatever it is will equal the 4 wheel drive difference. The 2210 comes in at 2095 lbs and the 226d at 1973 lbs, a difference of 122 lbs. Not that much. The difference with a loader will be very noticeable with the four wheel drive. At least that's the way I see it. Also factor in the power steering as a bonus. Might even have to factor the internal over run clutch as a bonus.

 

[Smoody]

I love the 2210 but its not as nice of a tractor as this 226d. And I thought about the HP difference but after using the 4wd pushing piled brush it was very noticeable of a difference from my 2210.

The 226d also has power steering, power shift on dash, internal overrun clutch, is about 2' wider at the rear and a whole lot quieter.. those features to me are worth a 4 HP difference.

California is that delay feature a US model feature? My 2210 does not hesitate., Also its not just the trans, the loader is sluggish as well

Winston all documentation I found on the 226d reads it weighs in at 2300 lbs.?

 

[winston1]

I got the 1973 lbs out of the big paper back service manual from Hoye. Listed as shipping weight but tires and all are listed there with it so I assume that is the whole tractor. Seems like there is always different numbers on these things?? Just looked at "tractor data" and sure enough, just as you said, the 226d is listed at 2300 lbs. Pretty sure that 2210 weight is also shipping weight, whatever that means. Bottom line is I don't think there is much weight difference in the two. I still believe you have made a definite upgrade if both tractors are in equal mechanical condition.

 

[Smoody]

I already sold the 2210..took 2 days after posting on craigslist. This 226 is a 1991 model, its definitely an upgrade, however the 2210 is a solid tractor never gave me issues. I'll miss it but I have a nack for finding these tractors at great prices. Just this yr I have purchased and sold 4 yanmars. I have owned the following models

YM1510
YM2001
YM1700
YM2210 two of these
YM2210D
YM226D

 

[California]

California is that delay feature a US model feature? My 2210 does not hesitate., Also its not just the trans, the loader is sluggish as well

Dunno. My YM186D acts identical and its brochure says you can bring the mower blade up to speed before driving forward. That's all I know. The delay is an irritation pulling out of the barn but very useful when tilling etc. I much prefer this to the way starting moving uphill lugs down the YM240 when it has to simultaneously spin up the rotary mower blade.

I wish I could find Yanmars like you do, here in Northern California. Aside from some that came through a VN import house, many with problems, they are pretty scarce. You are very lucky.

 

[clemsonfor]

U know Putnick your right!@

 

[grainger12002]

if delay you mean while shifting the power shift,my 336 has no delay at all,actually very responseive,maybe look at the screen and some fresh hyd fluid

 

[Smoody]

yea im referring to the powershift, the loader is slow as well..I suspect dirty screen. I got new hydro fluid sitting in the shop, just got to find time to get out there and change it.

 

[Car Doc]

I dont know if this adds anything to the equation but the clutch has to be out for the powershift pump to be making pressure to apply the clutches. I notice mine hesitate at times if I start it and leave the clutch in and put the PS lever in gear and let out the clutch it takes a bit to build pressure and go it usually jerks ahead also doing it that way. The best way is start it then let clutch out then push clutch in and shift then there is no or little hesitation. fwtw

 

[Smoody]

interesting, i'll try that

 

[clemsonfor]

wow wish i could find and flip yanmars like you, granted i dont look for them but i do look at craigs list every now and then just dont see anything.

U must jump on them as fast as your finding them and buying them before the guys, who your selling to find them?

 

[Smoody]

wow wish i could find and flip yanmars like you, granted i dont look for them but i do look at craigs list every now and then just dont see anything.

U must jump on them as fast as your finding them and buying them before the guys, who your selling to find them?

I can't reveal my secrets man, c'mon..ha

 

[California]

I should have made clear I see a delay only after letting the clutch out. As CarDoc noted this is probably the moment where the PS internal pump comes up to speed and starts pushing fluid.

1-2-3 shifts are instantaneous. I usually use the clutch to soften these shifts. In my opinion clutchless shifts are for rice paddies with limited traction, and they make unnecessary stress on hard ground.

 

[clemsonfor]

I know where there is 2( i know one is a yanmar) tractors sitting next to an unkept trailer adn just not maintained grounds. I have thought about knocking to see if they would like to sell them. I plan on flipping them if i get them.

But i have a timber sale right next to the home and when inspecting it this last week i noticed that the yanmar does not appear to have an engine in it, but it looks like a tractor and the front and rears are attached and on all 4 tires so that would be impossible if there is no engine? It just looks like a lot of daylight can bee seen through the hood. Maybe it has no air cleaner/head and radiator???

 

[Smoody]

I should have made clear I see a delay only after letting the clutch out. As CarDoc noted this is probably the moment where the PS internal pump comes up to speed and starts pushing fluid.

1-2-3 shifts are instantaneous. I usually use the clutch to soften these shifts. In my opinion clutchless shifts are for rice paddies with limited traction, and they make unnecessary stress on hard ground.

I understand, I think the issue is dirty screen. I'll know soon

 

[Smoody]

I know where there is 2( i know one is a yanmar) tractors sitting next to an unkept trailer adn just not maintained grounds. I have thought about knocking to see if they would like to sell them. I plan on flipping them if i get them.

But i have a timber sale right next to the home and when inspecting it this last week i noticed that the yanmar does not appear to have an engine in it, but it looks like a tractor and the front and rears are attached and on all 4 tires so that would be impossible if there is no engine? It just looks like a lot of daylight can bee seen through the hood. Maybe it has no air cleaner/head and radiator???

I inspect things I buy well before purchase, I haven't been burned yet, but its a possibility. I got 2 leads now, anyone looking for a particular series?

 

[Car Doc]

1-2-3 shifts are instantaneous. I usually use the clutch to soften these shifts. In my opinion clutchless shifts are for rice paddies with limited traction, and they make unnecessary stress on hard ground.

Yup me too that's exactly how I do mine any more they shift hard and fast when up in the rpm's and/or hard ground.

The only time I dont and I am pretty sure you do it too California and some others also (for Smoody's benefit Im telling this) is in a low main gear and a tiller or mower on back we spin them up with the clutch out and then put PS into gear with clutch out and up shift as necessary that isn't bad of a jar on drive train at all. :thumbsup: