Hello Everyone

[RJC55]

Hello out there;
I wanted to be able to communicate with other owners of the Ingersol/Case 442 owners and or anyone that can give me some insight on my garden tractor. I purchased my Ingersol/ Case 442 tractor 5 years ago for $600.
It came with a snowblower attachment, a mower and a blade assembly for plowing snow. This tractor has an Onan 16 horse engine and has been pretty dependable until the last couple of months. I cannot start this tractor because the starter is shot. My dilemma is getting a replacement starter which will interchange with the outdated starter that I took off of my tractor. The Part number that I found listed is a Delco- 11019701 (A70202) . I have been looking everywhere to get a replacement , even an aftermarket brand that will work with my 12 volt system. If anyone can point me in the right direction , I would greatly appreciate it. Delco no longer manufactures or stocks this starter. I would even accept a used starter at this juncture or one for parts that has a good case with the magnets intact with the case. The armature and brushes on my starter is good but the magnets came apart on the inside of my starter. This tractor has been a great asset in all seasons and I want to be able to use it again.

Thank you,
RJC55

 

[mddorange]

:welcome:
To the TBN forum RJC. We are glad that you joined.

It may take awhile but someone might be able to help.

 

[TBN Support]

:welcome:

Welcome to the forum!

I'm going to move this thread over to our Case/Ingersoll section. Hopefully, someone over there can help

 

[Thomas]

:welcome: to TBN...enjoy.

 

[Xfaxman]

The 442 had a single cylinder 12 hp engine that used a starter generator, that looked like this:

So someone did a repower with a 16 hp Onan, probably like the 446 used.

What is the Pxxx number on it?

Have you contacted Joe's? https://joesoutdoorpower.com/

 

[oldballs]

Try: casecoltingersoll.com for more information.....this site is still active I believe. Good Luck.

 

[RJC55]

The 442 had a single cylinder 12 hp engine that used a starter generator, that looked like this:

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So someone did a repower with a 16 hp Onan, probably like the 446 used.

What is the Pxxx number on it?

Have you contacted Joe's? https://joesoutdoorpower.com/

Thanks for taking the time to do research in my behalf. I think that I will have to get some more information like the serial number on the engine. The starter I took off has a partial tag which states Taiwan and my starter has no pulley on one end, just a gear which engages the flywheel. This starter is mounted with 2 bolts and has a stud which is on the opposite end for an electric connection coming from the solenoid. The starter label also has 88/1-117 marked on it and is relatively small with a 3 in diameter. I will even accept any cross- referenced aftermarket starter that will work.

Thank you,

RJC

 

[Xfaxman]

You're welcome. We still need to know which Onan engine that it fits on.

 

[RJC55]

Hi Everyone;
I did discover that my Case is a 446 and I have the model and serial number of the engine that mystarter was attached to. The Model number is P218G-1/10936G and the serial number is H963578524.
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
RJC

 

[Xfaxman]

The P218G is the 18 hp version that came in the Case 448 and some John Deere garden tractors. So definitely not original.

Here is a used one on eBay: Case Ingersol 446 Onan BF-MS/2891E OEM 12V Electric Starter C29733 | eBay

And some more if it is the right one: onan p218 starter | eBay

 

[RJC55]

The P218G is the 18 hp version that came in the Case 448 and some John Deere garden tractors. So definitely not original.

Here is a used one on eBay: Case Ingersol 446 Onan BF-MS/2891E OEM 12V Electric Starter C29733 | eBay

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And some more if it is the right one: onan p218 starter | eBay

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Thank you for everyone who provoked me to act in order to solve my starter issue. After looking at the model and serial number of my Case 446, I have purchased a starter from Ebay. I was looking for a starter to fit the P218G engine . It will be delivered Thursday 2/22.

Sincerely RJC

 

[RJC55]

Thanks for the feedback. I actually purchased a starter just like the bottom picture featured on your post. The only difference is the stud location which is at the cast base protruding perpendicular to the bottom. I also had to disassemble the spring and gear because the pictured mounting assembly does not match with the original . The starter works fine but now I have to do some trouble shooting with the wires to the solenoid because the starter just spins but doesn't lock out to engage the flywheel. This is my next task. I hope to reinstall the starter today and then contend with the solenoid wiring so that the Case 446 will be operational by then. My wiring seems all screwed up with a brown wire that seems to go nowhere since I took out the ammeter. If anyone can help with that , any input or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all of those who have given me input so far- thanks. I believe with the support base of knowledgeable members in this forum, I can save money and get an education at the same time.

 

[RJC55]

According to specs- My engine is a 16 HP Onan engine

 

[Xfaxman]

Hi Everyone;
I did discover that my Case is a 446 and I have the model and serial number of the engine that mystarter was attached to. The Model number is P218G-1/10936G and the serial number is H963578524.
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
RJC

According to specs- My engine is a 16 HP Onan engine

Right, the Case 446 had a 16 HP opposed twin cylinder Onan engine. The Case 448 had a 18 HP opposed twin cylinder Onan engine. The model number that you posted is the 18 HP engine, a direct bolt in swap, that someone did previously.

 

[oldballs]

Tomorrow, if it would help, I'll go out to the shed and take a look at my Case 448......18 HP....Onan engine. ... will look for that brown wire or see what the OE manual says.

 

[RJC55]

Thank you for taking the time to assist me. My starter turns when I turn the key but the bendix mechanism does not lock out into the flywheel. The issue may be the wiring to the solenoid or a defective solenoid. I have 2 brown wires, a red wire with a inline fuse, a yellow wire, a blue wire which connect to the solenoid besides the thick red wires going to the starter and positive side of the battery and a black ground wire which connects from the solenoid to the negative terminal of the battery. I'm not sure if this solenoid has to be grounded but I have it bolted to metal. My engine is a twin cylinder Onan engine and may be a direct bolt sway as Xfaxman indicated. My issue with wiring began when I discovered a mouse nest in the battery compartment and some of the insulation was chewed off of the wires . This time, when I get the wires right from the ignition switch to the solenoid, battery, starter, etc. I will draw myself a diagram and save it for future reference. I am actually located in the woods in Cohocton with a trout stream in my back yard .

 

[oldballs]

Here's some pic that should help. I hope they are readable.

 

[Xfaxman]

Did a rotate and crop, open it in a new tab to zoom it:

 

[Xfaxman]

Found this with an image search:

 

[Xfaxman]

Thank you for taking the time to assist me. My starter turns when I turn the key but the bendix mechanism does not lock out into the flywheel.
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The Bendix moving out is strictly mechanical. The starter has to spin fast enough and the Bendix has to be clean.