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[highonlife510]

hi all
i'm looking to purchase a use new holland compact tractor with hydrostat and i've been looking at a tc45da online but i was wondering if someone could help me with a few things. first what is the differences between the 45, 45a, 45d and 45da? secondly do all the models have a seperate power steering pump bc i'm wanting to get a tractor with a loader and i've read that u want a ps pump seperate from the FEL. and third do the older model tc tractors at that size stack up to the newer "boomer" tractors bc i've also found a boomer 40 that seems to be nice...same price and hours as the 45da but obviously less hp, but newer. so i wondered why anyone would go with a 2010 boomer with the same amount of hours as a 2005 tc45da and sacrifice that extra 5hp just to have a newer machine. are the hydralics or hydrostat better? thanks

 

[deerseeker001]

Welcome from Wisconsin

 

[TJP89]

Not a NH guy, but'll throw in my 2 cents.

Every tractor I've looked at has dual pumps, one for steering, 1 for everything else, even if the literature doesn't say so up front.

According to TractorData.com, the 45D is the deluxe model, the 45 is the base, while the A in both indicates the later model numbers of the tc45. As the run was from 2003 to 2008, yours is the deluxe model made toward the 2008 side.

The overall hydraulic capacity is listed a 9.8, which is less than my new 35HP tractor, so I would guess the TC is an older model cut, which may make it less desirable than the boomer. The boomer has a hydraulic capacity of 13.7, which you will notice more than the 5HP difference.

To my mind, the 4gpm hydro flow difference is more important than the 5HP difference, which in all likelyhood you will never notice, unless you are maxing out the tractor with a mower or tiller, in which case you need a bigger tractor. As the boomer is probably better ergonomic wise, I would go with the boomer.

The boomers are still in production, so parts and service would be more readily available if the occasion arose.

In answer to your question, the hydraulics on the boomer are likely WAY better, another reason why I would go with it.

Remember, HP isn't the only thing to look at with a tractor, look at GPMs and Weight too, among many others.

 

[GManBart]

Welcome to TBN!

Just an FYI, but the Boomer 40 was actually made by LS (they call it an R4041H)....the two are the same minus graphis, headlight bezels, and a significantly weaker loader on the Boomer. The kicker is depending on where you buy it, the LS will cost for $7-10K less than the Boomer. I had the higher hp version LS (R4047H) which was the same as a Boomer 50, and I paid $21,500 (with FEL) out the door in December of 2012...price went up $500 or so since then. They have stopped making that series, but there are a few still around. From what I've seen of used prices for the TC models, you could buy a new LS for the same money.

Also, the TC line was made by Shibaura for NH.....Case/NH doesn't make their own SCUT or CUT machines any longer. The negative (to me) for the TC is that it has an FEL with roughly 40% less capacity compared with many models of similar size (roughly 1,800lbs compared with 2,500lbs or more).

It likely boils down to condition if you're set on those two machines, and that's hard to tell without seeing them in person.

 

[highonlife510]

thank you guys...that helps a lot. i def will consider the LS tractors now...i was looking at them bc we have a local dealer that sells them but i didn't know that they were basically the same tractor. and as far as the hydraulics are concerned, i didn't even think about that being more important than the 5 extra hp. my step dad has a 45 hp kubota and i like it but i like the nh better bc of the curved hood that lets you see in front of the tractor much better and i think he replaced the starter a cpl years back and i think he said that the part itself was a few hundred bucks so i just thought that that was gonna be a problem with the kubota having parts be that expensive. but for all i know all the cut machines parts are gonna be high. and a kubota, to my knowledge the kubota's are in the same price range as a deere so i would go with a deere over the orange machine. the thing about the LS, Mahindra's and other similar tractor i wasn't sure about is them being the "cheap" little tractors and how well they were made but after hearing that the LS and the nh are the same machine just makes me wonder if all the cut's are in fact the same...one just being the "name brand" and the other's being an off shoot of the original. i'm not married to the idea of a nh..just like the way the look and the curved hood for the extra vision but i'm open to suggestion for other machines if you guys have any input. but i'm in the $20k range on price for either new or used but a FEL is a must as well as 4wd.

 

[TJP89]

20K will get you a good new CUT, I paid $21000 and change for my CK35HST w/ loader. If your not married to any one brand look at them all. Deere and Kubota will try to tell you every other tractor is junk, but they're all pretty well built and will all work great. Parts for ANY CUT are expensive, not only the name brands. Almost all modern CUTs have curved hoods and loaders now, square is an older look. Kubota, Deere, and Case/New Holland are in the upper part of the price range, Massey Ferguson and Mahindra are in the middle, and lower down is LS, Kioti, TYM, etc. All have a good reputation, but the green and orange paint seems to be expensive. Kubota is about the only one that makes the entire tractor themselves, all the rest either have the entire tractor made by someone else, or many of the parts. The some cases the manufacturer that makes rebranded tractor for one the big 3 makes the same tractor under its own name at a lower price point. There are some CUTs that bad quality, but those are easy to spot. Look through the various forums here, If you see a forum for a specific brand, it's going to be a fine tractor. Most modern tractors now have 4WD, HST, curved shapes, and other great improvements. As you seem very concerned with the ergonomics of the machine, looking new (LS, TYM, Kioti) is probably a good idea. If you look around, there are some good deals on used machines out there though. What are you going to do with the tractor? If you tell us that, we can help with size and specific brand options.

 

[highonlife510]

thanks a ton TJP89...u guys seem to be extremely well versed on these issues and i appreciate it. i currently have an 81 ford 3600. i bought it just to bush hog with and pull a small trailer around my farm. but lately i've seemed to be borrowing my step dads bota and i'm just wondering how i've ever done without a FEL. i won't utilize the tractor like you guys probably do but i will be bush hogging a pond levy, moving dirt piles from time to time, pushing downed trees out of the way after storms and most importantly hanging deer from the FEL for skinning lol. 40hp was just my magic number since thats what my 3600 is but it may be more than i need. one of my main concerns was trying to get a newer cut with around the same wide stance as my 3600 bc i nomally mow with the levy instead of up and down (it's pretty steep) and just put it in gear and stand off to one side just in case it starts to tip but it never has...it just slides down hill a little in certain spots and when it starts doing that i just turn into the slide and start over. my worry is that with the more narrow cut's that they may tip so ill prob never try it and just mow it up and down since ill have 4wd on the new one. is was looking at the LS online just now and they are pretty sweet looking machines but i noticed that the engine hp is 40 and the PTO is 30.8. i assume that that drastic of a drop is due to the hydrostat? should that be a concern? should i look at a hydraulic shuttle? ive read that if digging dirt with a clutch machine or trying to inch forward that ull eventually burn up a clutch so that's why i wanted a hydrostat..plus i love to operate my step dads hydrostat way over my standard 3600.

 

[milligjg]

When your back at the N.H. dealership, ask them about LS making their tractors. They will start stuttering! I did it on a Boomer 30 that was 3 years old and was priced about the same as an LS 3033, the guy about stroked out when I told him he was crazy for what he was asking. I said I can buy a brand new LS with 5 year warranty for $15,500-$16,000. They still have their Boomer 30!

 

[highonlife510]

haha...prob won't be back at the nh dealer..they only sell the nh and mahindra. but u know he was pushing the mahindra on me way more than the nh's. telling me all about the better warranty and all.

 

[TJP89]

Yes, you will lose a little power with a HST. Look at the stats for the same tractor in gear and HST, The PTO power on the HST will be lower by about 2 or 3 HP. Not a concern, buy by PTO HP, not engine HP. What size is your brush hog? The general rule is 5 PTO HP for every foot of mower width. As you've found out, HST is a ton better than gear for loader work, even over a hydro shuttle. If you are going to keep the Ford, you'll have a hefty pulling tractor anyway. A 30 to 35HP modern CUT will outperform an older 40 HP tractor in almost everything except shear pulling power. As I said before, probably worth your time to look a 30 to 40HP CUTs new, plenty of options for 20K.