GRASS/LEAF VAC/BLOWER--ENGINE or PTO TYPE (which)

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CampMan

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Kubota B2320, 2012 yr
I’m contemplating between the 6 or so PH gasoline engine type vac/blower or the PTO type vac/blower unit for sucking up the grass cuttings and the fall leaves with my B7510, which is 21 HP with a rear PTO of 16 HP.. Have not had any experience in either. In reading the postings I would say that the engine type is much noisier then the PTO type but how do they match up regarding their sucking and blowing capability? Will running the 60” mmm and the rear PTO with a vac/blower attached slow things way down? I have found many web sites companies on the engine type vac/blower units, however, on the PTO vac/blower type I have only found two (www.Hasty.com & www,Trac-vac.com). Are there others?
THANKS IN ADVANCE
 
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bought the rear PTO driven bagger for my bx2230. Have not used it yet. WIll let you know after my first cutting. May be too late to satisfy you.
 
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Maybe another 3-4 weeks before I buy. What make is your vac/blower?
 
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CampMan,

I have used a variety of engine-powered vacuums for years and strongly urge you to select an engine driven unit over the PTO for your tractor. Vacuums take a lot of power. When you have to distribute the available engine power among tractor traction, mower deck, and vacuum it is easy to find yourself behind the 8-Ball.

Currently my tractor has 31 hp (26 PTO), my deck is 72 inches, and the engine on my Trac-Vac is 13 hp. Everything works great on my steep slopes with this much power. When I tried to use an 8 hp vacuum with the 72 inch deck, it wasn't enough. The problem was that it was too easy to plug because the vacuum wasn't powerful enough. Of course if you drive very slowly and make sure the grass isn't very tall when you vacuum you don't need as much power.

Sometimes folks say they want the PTO vacuum because it means one less engine to take care of and has less noise. OK, but you are really working on the margin with a PTO vacuum unless you have a small deck, level ground, and mow under ideal grass conditions.

Let us know what you decide.

JackIL
 
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I never lacked power with my BX2230/54" MMM/PTO vac. Excellent combination. This vac combination was very powerful and I would recommend it to anyone. In addition to less noise, another engine with a different fuel type and designed compatibility, it is much more maneuverable than a pull behind "trailer" type unit.
 
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I have contacted three different Kubota dealers attempting to obtain some literature / brochure or something on their grass catcher, they had nothing. Each dealer gave their opinion on how the power housing was attached; 1) that it ran off the rear PTO and attached to the 3pt hitch, 2) that it ran off the mid PTO somehow, & 3) that it ran off a double pulley on the rt hand side spindle. However, I was able to catch a poor picture of a Kubota three bagger, as I see things now, the unit would be to small, I’d be making to may trips over to the grass pile. For those of u that have the unit just how does the power-housing unit?
 
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Here you go.

There are several baggers that Kubota has made over the years. This is the one that I have (had - sold my BX). It ran off the rear PTO. No belts, or pulleys. All shaft drive and gear boxes. The 3 bags hold 9 bushels plus another 2 (estimate) in the cover before it quits picking up leaves, grass, sod, small children and animals... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I purchased the Trac Vac with 8 Hp engine and chipper.
Very pleased. I was concerned about the extra engine load on the PTO so I went with the noisy engine. Hearing protection a must.
 
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Pics and a proper evaluation are formally requested, please. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Thanks... So that is directly off the rear PTO. As I checked around etc, the 9 bushel is Kubota's largest. I would need about three times that.
Tks
 
/ GRASS/LEAF VAC/BLOWER--ENGINE or PTO TYPE (which) #11  
Why not just go empty it a couple of times?

The main reason I liked the PTO unit was the manuverability with it installed. Just MHO.
 
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CampMan, I bought the Trac-Vac pto vac last year. My 4.5 is hilly and I have never had a problem with power loss running a pto vac with my BX-2200 with 16 pto hp. The grass doesn't have too be short, I have cut it when it was 6-7 inches. It just fills the trailer faster. Like others have said, you have to run it slow and at full throttle.
 
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The unit is nice and compact, which is great, however, my dumping area is about 350 yards or more from the lawn area (4 acres), long haul.
 
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I don't collect grass during summer but do collect leaves, etc in the fall with my Kubota PTO bagger. I leave the FEL on and when bags get full I dump them into FEL and then go again until bagger is full again. Much easier dumping from FEL you will find. Will cut your trips to pile in half ( I have similar issue with distance as you do). Full throttle and slow is usually best I have found. Do engage PTO slowly as it is easier on shear bolts.
 
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I will try to get some pics together for the posting request. This week is busy at work...hopefully next week. Here is a stab at a formal review.

Purchased TracVac model CV860-IC with chipper, cart, cart cover, 8 inch chute, 3PTH, Model 190 for $2500.00 in April 2002.

I looked at several units prior to my purchase. Primary planned usage to "harvest" grass clippings several times a year for garden pathway mulch and a large compost pile. This method has eliminated my need to purchase soil ammendments for the landscaping projects underway. The only thing I buy now is several tons of sand and a tractor trailer 90 cu yds of hardwood mulch each year.

I like steel, so I was not impressed with the canvas carrier of the Cyclone. Looks like ongoing maintenance to me. Capacity was also an issue. Grass clippings, especially when freshly cut, are heavy. The capacity of the Kubota and Cyclone systems seemed limited compared to the TracVac. The "auto-unloading" features are a great idea, but never really work. Layered fresh cut grass clippings come out of the trailer only one way....by hand. When I return to the compost pile to dump, it is full to capacity and probably weighs 1500 pounds or so.

PTO versus engine was a controversial decision for me. My former BX2200 and now my BX23 always have sufficient power for whatever task I give them. The main reason I went with the separate engine drive unit was potential future use. I have a Simplicity Zeroturn and may purchase a larger zeroturn in the future. Although most zt's do not have a 3PTH or PTO, this unit would be easily adaptable with a change in the motor mounting plate to the trailer tongue. The reason I did not go with this type of engine mount in the first place was storage. The trailer sits outside under some tree cover. I bring the engine back to the garage and store it inside. In addition, I thought the engine drive model might have further resale potential in the future if I make a change. Probably doesn't fit for everyone, but that is how I thought this one through.

I had problems with the TracVac at first. Went thru 3 main engine shaft bearings as quick as I could get it back from the shop. Debris would get caught between the impeller shroud and the bearing and spin out the oil seal. Turns out to be a manufacturing defect and TracVac replaced the entire engine unit assembly and absolutey no problems since.

The hoses begin to degrade with each passing year. Duct tape helps out over small slits. I will probably have to replace one of the hoses next year: it is about $100.


The engine is very noisy. I use a db limiting radioset with microphone so I can still "hear" what is going on with the engines and loads. The engine will go thru about 3 tanks of gasoline to vacuum heavy grass clippings off of 5 acres. This is about 1 1/2 gals of gasoline compared to 3 gals of diesel for the BX. Service has been minimal with only a springtime oil change that takes about 10 minutes and daily usage air filter cleaning.

The chipper attachment a very nice feature. I have run a lot of sticks and limbs thru it. Fresh cut works better...dried pin oaks are rough to handle with a lot of vibration. It will easily take a branch 2 inches in diameter if you pay attention to the offshoot branch locations.

Since I fill the trailer to capacity, I probably exceed the design limits of the trailer, but it seems to be just fine. The only problem I have experienced is a top screen had a "blowout" this spring with leaf pickup. A replacement screen was available, but I made a replacement on my own for 1/4 the cost and it is serviceable in the future.

Hope this helps with the request for a formal review.
If you need anything else, please let me know.
 
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Thanks much for the pics and all. I was leaning toward the PTO type, however, it seems to be that the engine type would be the way to go. I'm look toward the PECO unit, maybe the PECO Pro 36. Their web is www.lawnvac.com
How were u able to get all your toys? Thanks again.
 
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Getting all the toys is the easy part.... following thru with the negotiations is much harder. My honey-to-do list is pretty big right now.
 

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