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   / Good morning!!!! #86,251  
Sorry for your loss txdon prayers sent
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,252  
My sons flight due in at 1:25. At least the flight has left and he wont be stuck in airport all night. It's over southern IN right now, watching on the computer.
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,253  
Don, glad you could spend time with your mom today, sorry for another loss.
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,255  
The gravel pad the tank sits on provided enough distance from the flames to keep the tank temperatures low enough that it did not vent/explode. That said, and I have no way of proving it other than looking at what burned and how, if the winds had been high and carrying a lot of sparks or flaming material, perhaps enough could have accumulated around the tank to cause it to vent/explode. No way of telling for sure without running some tests, and doing that would involve too much risk. Besides, if there is that much flaming material in the air, I'm not sure my home, even though it has a concrete tile roof, boxed in eves, stucco walls, and screened vent openings, would survive. The videos I've seen of the firestorm in Paradise reminded me of a snow blizzard at night, with the snow replaced with glowing orange and red embers. People were walking around in it, so the air temperature wasn't enough to catch things on fire, so it was the embers themselves, landing on flammable material, that spread the fire so quickly. My strategy here has been to remove the flammable material where I don't want fire. I assume the embers will go everywhere, but if there's nothing to burn, they'll go out by themselves. I don't think the embers carry a lot of heat, not enough to heat a propane tank to the point of venting/exploding, unless there's a steady supply of them over a fair amount of time, and I think there's enough distance between my tank and the fuels heavy enough to provide such a heat supply. At least I hope so, because I can't mitigate the brush hazard on the other side of the state park boundary.

If you're headed down the propane trail, are you aware that there are aftermarket kits to convert your Honda generator to use propane? I looked into it for my 6500 Honda, and it seemed like once converted, the generator could be run on either fuel without much fuss.

As far as transporting Diesel/gasoline, my bulldozer neighbor has two 100 gallon tanks that fit in the bed of his pickup truck, and uses them to fuel his various tractors and heavy equipment. That avoids needing a large storage tank and meeting the stringent building code requirements and the vagaries of fuel delivery service. I think he's pretty much dedicated an old pickup truck to carry the tanks; I wouldn't want to do that to my F250 as I prefer to keep the cap on the bed and be able to use it to haul other things. Perhaps some arrangement of the tanks on pallets would make removal/replacement easier, and that thought is worth exploring.

When I asked him about Diesel fuel "spoiling", he says he's never had a problem, likely due to him using enough of it to keep his supply moisture free. He also uses a fuel additive that very likely incorporates an algaecide. From what I understand, it's water in the fuel that promotes algae growth, and using tanks small enough that they get resupplied frequently keeps the moisture at bay.

I'm pretty sure a single 100 gallon tank of Diesel wouldn't be enough to last through the three and a half week evacuation period I just endured, and that would be the goal of any system, generator or solar based, I come up with. Both propane and Diesel have the same issue with maintaining a large enough supply of fuel to last that long. Solar, on the other hand, seems to meet the duration criteria by being self refilling, and capacity is just a matter of building a big enough array of panels to meet a typical 24 hour power cycle in the summer (my peak energy use time due to A/C) and installing a large enough battery bank to get through the night and periods of low solar influx. And perhaps maintaining a small generator for times of high demand. You know that game very well, so I'm curious as to why you seem to be maintaining such a large generator capability. Is it just too expensive to maintain sufficient capacity in a solar/battery system to supply your needs?

This has to be challenging for sure. You seem to think it thru to your benefit rather well.

The propane conversion kit for the Honda 7000 is a bit pricey and a full conversion, not a bifuel. That is on my list for future consideration, but might just keep it as gas for now. Maybe the bifuel option will appear.

My current diesel storage tank is 125 gallons. Unfortunately just a tad too tall for the back of my pickup with the cap on. Of course I could just use my trailer. My 275gallon totes are pallet fork ready and i will plumb to use as transport should I chose. But that doesn’t solve my biggest issue. I want a solution that wife can live with should i predecease her. I doubt she would be humping 5 gallon cans or loading/unloading the tote into a trailer.

As for generator size, the recommended sizing for off grid is 2x inverter size. I have 12kw (4x3kw) of inverters. Yes, more capability than I need. The inverters are also the primary non solar chargers. The way they work when the generator powers the chargers it also powers the house loads, with priority to the house. Charge demand can be regulated, but not house side. I am working on a plan to build a generator powered, charge only capability hopefully this coming summer. Likely use the propane generator set about 9kw max.

I do have a very capable solar/battery setup. 14kw PV, 46kw of Aquion saltwater batteries. Unfortunately we also have periods of inadequate sun, especially during rainy season. Just this week I had back to back days of 10.5 & 12.4 kw solar production (range for year 7.1 - 40.1). My typical use averages 25kw/day without the hot tub. That battery bank is 21 48 volt batteries that cost $1200 each plus installation when they were available. Six more would have been nice, but even then I would still need generator backup.

Propane was $5.54g my last fill up. Last diesel delivery $4.82g.
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,256  
Sorry for you loss, Don.
Safe travels, Buck
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,257  
3am, made it home from airport. No crowd there at night..lol
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,258  
13 and going to a high of 21F. Wind NE 15 mph. It s snowing out and has been since yesterday evening.
the snow is supposed to stop by noon today.

It is beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

Plowing today. That is the only thing on the agenda.

Sorry for your loss Don.

Buckeye, the only good thing about going to the airport in the middle of the night is NO crowds, but at this time of year you are out with the drunks.

sodamo, you are paying Canadian prices for diesel in American $$s.

Have a good day all
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,259  
34 going to a sunny 49. Bright moon outside.

Don, sorry about the loss of loved ones in your family, especially at this time of year.

BEF, glad you got your son home safe and sound.

I'm down to one son/GF/cat still here for Christmas Eve...another will return tomorrow.

David, you are a wizard of power generation and storage. Does your local coop or public utility ever have plans to run lines up your way?
 
   / Good morning!!!! #86,260  
Coffee has finished brewing. 31° with cloudy skies this morning. Heading to 32° with sun in afternoon. Got my projects organized and material ordered yesterday. PT this morning. Then help wife get meal ready for Son and family to show up around 3pm. Seems strange to have temperatures close to freezing and no snow on the ground. We have spent Christmas in places with no snow. But temperatures were in the 60's to 70's. Alexa is playing all Christmas music. Helps to give that Christmas spirit.

Don, glad your Mom had a good Christmas party with family. Sorry to hear another family member passed. May she RIP.

Good Morning All.

Buckeye, glad you and son made to your place safely. Get some sleep.

Good Morning All.
 

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