Global Warming?

[Johnp33]

I also try to live in the least controlled manner posible I live in an unincorporated area, no by-laws.
I have found over the years that when the media tries to tell me that the sky is blue I had better look, they seem to have a bias, and when ever someone talks about high moral values they seem to have a list of lies to follow.
They change there high moral values at the whim of the highest donor, a position one year changes the next.
I was taught that life is a bunch of choices and if there are pearly gates you should try and live so you do not have to say, you are sorry to many times, when they read the list. I do not care if you are black or purple, queer or straight, what you do in you own personal space is you business, and none of mine. As long as you do not invade my family, or friends space, I do not care what you do. Most every time I hear of someone that knows what everyone else should do, time will show they are a lying pipe of excrement.
I have some work to do but you play safe!

 

[houstonscott]

Wow, don't know what to say Rob. I don't know if I should laugh or cry, I guess I feel sorry for you. You just sound like an old liberal/progressive who was just handed his hat and shown the door. Sorry it had to be me. Oh, I don't take medications by the way, sorry to stick that you too. Another tactic is to earn enough in a lifetime to not be effected. The only threat to someones freedoms in the USA are old liberals trying to control our lives and taking our liberties. My bet is that's exactly who you are....No one cares about your carbon footprint, and your life style doesn't make you better than anyone else. You just don't get it....

HS

I'll say this one last time, the problem with this planet is pollution, man made pollution. It is destroying our oceans and our planet. I've given reams of proof on this, (coal pollution for example) but I'm just tired of the nonsense. I've given direct links to the API paying to muddy the waters of CC but in the end no one is going to change who doesn't want to. If we address pollution we address CC but we don't want to address pollution we want to keep going our sloppy messy ways and thinking our actions are not affecting anything. Well they are, the WHO says that pollution is giving us cancer and costing billions of dollars in medical expenses but how many seventy year old people here are drug free? Is that you HS? I'll bet it's not. We have no idea how to take care of our own health much less the planet, the pharmaceutical companies pull us one way and the energy companies pull us the other. We think we're free? I think we might as well be behind bars!

Right now I'm off the grid, zero footprint and in two months I'll have so much alternate energy that I will be heating my house this winter with it and payback of two to three years. So, you know what? I no longer give a fiddle, life is too short and I'm set even if the grid stops working tomorrow. I'm 67 and take no medicine, pay no medical bills and have no health issues, so tell me again who's free and who's being lead around by the nose.
So all of you nay sayers keep nay saying and let me know where that gets you in 5 years when oil prices are still leading you around by the rings in your noses as your health depreciates because you don't know how to live a healthy life. Make sure you keep blaming the nebulous "they", just like you are now.

I'm just not getting into this any longer I have solar trackers to design, something that I can see a difference in and a benefit from.

People have no idea what freedom is. Freedom is autonomy from those individuals and groups that want to control you. Now tell me who's in control and who isn't. But let's not think for ourselves , let's listen to some jamoke yelling on the radio who forms our opinions for us.

We have the worst medical care in the world, are number 27 in education (below Cuba) and use 25% of the world's energy.

If we got any stupider as a people we would forget how to stand erect!

Rob

 

[Tollster]

Wow, don't know what to say Rob. I don't know if I should laugh or cry, I guess I feel sorry for you. You just sound like an old liberal/progressive who was just handed his hat and shown the door. Sorry it had to be me. Oh, I don't take medications by the way, sorry to stick that you too. Another tactic is to earn enough in a lifetime to not be effected. The only threat to someones freedoms in the USA are old liberals trying to control our lives and taking our liberties. My bet is that's exactly who you are....No one cares about your carbon footprint, and your life style doesn't make you better than anyone else. You just don't get it....

HS

One look at where you are from tells many of us you are likely the part of the problem as Texas is heavy into oil pollution, seen you kind before. Here to stir the pot and feel oil is the answer to the worlds problems rather than the problem.

 

[houstonscott]

Only an idiot would argue against the benefits that oil has brought the world. Without oil your life would be vastly different and my bet is you wouldn't like it and you and Rob would be the first to complain.

HS

One look at where you are from tells many of us you are likely the part of the problem as Texas is heavy into oil pollution, seen you kind before. Here to stir the pot and feel oil is the answer to the worlds problems rather than the problem.

 

[Johnp33]

Wow, don't know what to say Rob. I don't know if I should laugh or cry, I guess I feel sorry for you. You just sound like an old liberal/progressive who was just handed his hat and shown the door. Sorry it had to be me. Oh, I don't take medications by the way, sorry to stick that you too. Another tactic is to earn enough in a lifetime to not be effected. The only threat to someones freedoms in the USA are old liberals trying to control our lives and taking our liberties. My bet is that's exactly who you are....No one cares about your carbon footprint, and your life style doesn't make you better than anyone else. You just don't get it....

HS

I always get a good laugh at the right wing saying how a liberal is trying to take away you rights, Have you ever read the Patriot act, and please show us a law taking away you rights that has been passed in the last 4 years. The right wing is like a bunch of hypochondriacs, as they take away peoples rights, swearing they are being persecuted.
The right had 6 years of pure bliss the house, the senate, George, and the tax cuts people financed there life style with remortgaging their houses. The economy still tanked, do tell us how more of the same will improve anything.
The S&p 500 has had record profits were are all them jobs from them creators. Delusional FREELOADERS, 100%.

 

[Rob-D]

Wow, don't know what to say Rob. I don't know if I should laugh or cry, I guess I feel sorry for you. You just sound like an old liberal/progressive who was just handed his hat and shown the door. Sorry it had to be me. Oh, I don't take medications by the way, sorry to stick that you too. Another tactic is to earn enough in a lifetime to not be effected. The only threat to someones freedoms in the USA are old liberals trying to control our lives and taking our liberties. My bet is that's exactly who you are....No one cares about your carbon footprint, and your life style doesn't make you better than anyone else. You just don't get it....

HS

And this is from the guy who just got done blaming the "greenies" because people don't have the sense to wash their vegetables and are getting sick from bacteria from cloth grocery bags.

It's not about better! It's about the planet we all inhabit, that we leave to future generations. We go to war to protect our children and their children and we take care of the environment for the same reason, it's called responsibility!

Now you're saying, just make enough money to pay the people who control your life. Forget that we have barren lakes from acid rain, our oceans are so acidic that we are destroying coral reefs required for life, that coal slurries are leaking and causing cancer, that Massey Coal is cutting off the tops of mountains for the coal to bring electricity to 54% of the people in this country, forget that we create more pollution per capita than any other country. Without the environment we don't exist, you can't just pay more for energy and think that fixes the problem. You simply don't have a clue. You lost me when you blamed the "greenies" for cloth grocery bags, that is the closest point to a complete collapse of human reason that I can think of. Just parroting someone else, talk about the lemming marching into the sea in mass!

Oh and you're in perfect health, your family is in perfect health? How old are you?

And at what point do you stop blaming everyone else and say I have a responsibility here?

Rob

 

[Rob-D]

HS

No one is arguing that oil and coal haven't spoiled us. But the damage it is doing to the planet means the free ride is over. The last couple of hundred years have taken a devastating toll on this planet and it is basic logic that it can't go on if we actually want a planet in 100 years.

We can't, as you say, just buy our way to keep oil in our tanks, that's like buying drugs off the street and completely overlooking the fact that they are killing you even though you can afford the cost of them.

Rob

 

[crash325]

There is a lot more to this report if you care to read it.

U.N.'s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims

By Gene J. Koprowski

Published January 28, 2010

FoxNews.com

Amazon Rainforest

A view of the Amazon basin forest north of Manaus, Brazil. A U.N. report stated that global warming is threatening the forests -- a statement that was recently discredited. (Phil P. Harris / Wikipedia)

A United Nations report on climate change that has been lambasted for its faulty research is under new attack for yet another instance of what its critics say is sloppy science -- adding to a growing scandal that has undermined the credibility of scientists and policymakers who back the U.N.'s findings about global warming.

In the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), issued in 2007 by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), scientists wrote that 40 percent of the Amazon rainforest in South America was endangered by global warming.

But that assertion was discredited this week when it emerged that the findings were based on numbers from a study by the World Wildlife Federation that had nothing to do with the issue of global warming -- and that was written by a freelance journalist and green activist.

The IPCC report states that "up to 40 percent of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation" -- highlighting the threat climate change poses to the Earth. The report goes on to say that "it is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems ... such as tropical savannas."

But it has now been revealed that the claim was based on a WWF study titled "Global Review of Forest Fires," a paper barely related to the Amazon rainforest that was written "to secure essential policy reform at national and international level to provide a legislative and economic base for controlling harmful anthropogenic forest fires."

EUReferendum, a blog skeptical of global warming, uncovered the WWF association. It noted that the original "40 percent" figure came from a letter published in the journal Nature that discussed harmful logging activities -- and again had nothing to do with global warming.

Read more: U.N.'s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims | Fox News

 

[crash325]

There is a lot more to this report if you care to read it.

U.N.'s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims

By Gene J. Koprowski

Published January 28, 2010

FoxNews.com

Amazon Rainforest

A view of the Amazon basin forest north of Manaus, Brazil. A U.N. report stated that global warming is threatening the forests -- a statement that was recently discredited. (Phil P. Harris / Wikipedia)

A United Nations report on climate change that has been lambasted for its faulty research is under new attack for yet another instance of what its critics say is sloppy science -- adding to a growing scandal that has undermined the credibility of scientists and policymakers who back the U.N.'s findings about global warming.

In the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), issued in 2007 by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), scientists wrote that 40 percent of the Amazon rainforest in South America was endangered by global warming.

But that assertion was discredited this week when it emerged that the findings were based on numbers from a study by the World Wildlife Federation that had nothing to do with the issue of global warming -- and that was written by a freelance journalist and green activist.

The IPCC report states that "up to 40 percent of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation" -- highlighting the threat climate change poses to the Earth. The report goes on to say that "it is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems ... such as tropical savannas."

But it has now been revealed that the claim was based on a WWF study titled "Global Review of Forest Fires," a paper barely related to the Amazon rainforest that was written "to secure essential policy reform at national and international level to provide a legislative and economic base for controlling harmful anthropogenic forest fires."

EUReferendum, a blog skeptical of global warming, uncovered the WWF association. It noted that the original "40 percent" figure came from a letter published in the journal Nature that discussed harmful logging activities -- and again had nothing to do with global warming.

Read more: U.N.'s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims | Fox News

 

[houstonscott]

What cleans up the environment is a free republic form of government. Capitalism and private property rights. Small governments and low taxes. For the people of a country to turn its efforts to cleaning the environment they must first have enough profits to turn efforts that way. Poor countries pollute. They are still trying to feed their people. Rich countries clean up and have the excess to do so. Access to cheap energy is key to that. A free market and capitalism is what gives people the distance from basic needs, food, energy, transportation, water, sewage, lights, when those things are basic the clean up can start. Oil, gas, and coal make this place the envy of the world, and we are not giving it up to chase some mythical unicorn alternative fuel source. It also takes a person of great leadership, the same person created the clean water act, the clean air act, the EPA, the endangered spices act and got us cleaned up. His name was Richard Nixon.

HS

 

[Dustier]

You are one very peculiar fellow, but you are undersood.

How facts backfire - The Boston Globe

 

[toppop52]

Nah, it smells better in here!

And you don't have to think outside the box, or toilet, as it were.

 

[toppop52]

We had more ice melting in Iceland and Greenland in the thirties than we do today, it was warmer and got warm faster in the Medieval Warming Period than currently. The dinosaurs lived on an earth much warmer than this and in none of those periods was man putting enough carbon in the air to effect it. Another funny thing, each of those periods save the 30's which hasn't been long ago enough for us to get a reading yet, have been followed by long and intense cold. Now several scientific groups are starting think we may now be peaking and heading into a major northern hemisphere wide devastating cold period similar to or worse than the Little Ice Age.
But frankly, like all of you passing opinions here, I don't really know.

 

[houstonscott]

This is why people say the green agenda is a religion. Even when faced with the facts they still believe man is causing global warming. Even when the people who invented and coined the term admit to altering data, lying about the results, leaving out data that didn't support their cause (not a theory) people still believe. Reality is not where a 67 year old guy huddling in his shack covered in solar cells, claiming he is a brilliant scientist, watching the electric meter, lives.

You are one very peculiar fellow, but you are undersood.

How facts backfire - The Boston Globe

 

[Tollster]

Yea sure, but I cannot for the like of me begin to think of the unlimited amount of money companies would throw at this in an effort to fool people such as yourself into thinking there is nothing wrong. Many of those companies that have much to loose have bottomless pockets and have not really done much to protect anything in the world but there own interests unless mandated by federal law. Its that behavior that many with an open mind question, as well as the vilidity of any so called non bias studies on their behalf.
I can assure there is more money being spent to debunk any climate change finding due to the amount of money those companies have to loose.
While many may argue with you Houstonscott, I presume you have some sort of interest in the oil company's, due to your location, and your post. Therefore, you are unopened to any real debate. I also do not believe these brillant scientist are like the hermits you discribe that spent their life savings. Many happen to be nationally recogized organizations Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia with nothing to gain.
SO ya see,by opening your eyes, and reflecting on just who has the most to loose it fairly easy to see who's fooling who.

 

[Rob-D]

What cleans up the environment is a free republic form of government. Capitalism and private property rights. Small governments and low taxes. For the people of a country to turn its efforts to cleaning the environment they must first have enough profits to turn efforts that way. Poor countries pollute. They are still trying to feed their people. Rich countries clean up and have the excess to do so. Access to cheap energy is key to that. A free market and capitalism is what gives people the distance from basic needs, food, energy, transportation, water, sewage, lights, when those things are basic the clean up can start. Oil, gas, and coal make this place the envy of the world, and we are not giving it up to chase some mythical unicorn alternative fuel source. It also takes a person of great leadership, the same person created the clean water act, the clean air act, the EPA, the endangered spices act and got us cleaned up. His name was Richard Nixon.

HS

He lied....

Geeze, we are the world's biggest per capita polluter, where do you get your info? We're the envy of the world? I was just listening to a nurse who just came back from Scotland. The people over there think our medical system is a world joke. We don't cure people we just hook them on drugs - for a life time. Don't lose weight, don't cut your salt intake, take this pill for your high blood pressure. We aren't even in the top ten of healthiest countries. Our education system is so low on a world scale that it's an embarrassment. Obesity is epidemic and our government is a corporate institution which now has the same rights as the individual.

 

[Rob-D]

Reality is not where a 67 year old guy huddling in his shack covered in solar cells, claiming he is a brilliant scientist, watching the electric meter, lives.

First, I don't claim to be anything but net zero.

I don't watch my electric meter, it turns in reverse all on its own. I just get a credit every month for my excess power.

Where is reality, by the way? Paying that electric bill every month? Paying that annual heating/cooling fuel cost?

Might be your reality but it's not mine.

 

[Rob-D]

We had more ice melting in Iceland and Greenland in the thirties than we do today, it was warmer and got warm faster in the Medieval Warming Period than currently. The dinosaurs lived on an earth much warmer than this and in none of those periods was man putting enough carbon in the air to effect it. Another funny thing, each of those periods save the 30's which hasn't been long ago enough for us to get a reading yet, have been followed by long and intense cold. Now several scientific groups are starting think we may now be peaking and heading into a major northern hemisphere wide devastating cold period similar to or worse than the Little Ice Age.
But frankly, like all of you passing opinions here, I don't really know.

In the 30's we didn't have towns in Alaska moving because the perma-frost was melting under them.

 

[toppop52]

In the 30's we didn't have towns in Alaska moving because the perma-frost was melting under them.

How does that negate what was happening in Iceland and Greenland? I totally fail to see the logic. Just because some areas had one thing at a certain point while others had the opposite within a reasonable time, does not prove one over the other.
I mean any person that claims others are not open minded should at least wonder when the very people that started AGW say things like;

Lovelock is a legendary guru of the global warming movement, and the author of books entitled The Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth Is Fighting Back – and How We Can Still Save Humanity and The Vanishing Face of Gaia: A Final Warning: Enjoy It While You Can. It turns out you’ll have plenty of time to enjoy it, because Lovelock, at age 92, is writing a new book in which he admits he was an “alarmist” and all of his earlier predictions were totally wrong.

No, really. Here’s what he says, as reported by MSNBC:

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

This is exactly the kind of stuff that gets reasonable people denounced as the equivalent of “Holocaust deniers” by the enraged primitives of the global-warming cult. Later in the MSNBC interview, Lovelock says “I’m not a denier,” even though he did, in fact, just deny the whole rotten anthropogenic global warming con job.

 

[houstonscott]

Now take all that, warming/cooling argument and try to prove that is all happening because of man is burning fossil fuels. They are all non sequitur.

HS