GC2310 TLB vs bx23 new guy need help

[cag]

which machine is best need advice before I buy /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[Bob_Skurka]

BOTH MACHINES ARE BEST.

The GC2310, in my humble opinion, has a better 3pt set up. But that is a fairly minor difference. Both are excellent machines. (by the way, I don't own either).

But, what you may want to do it base your choice on a few issues that will mean something to you.
1) Which dealer treats you better? (this is subjective, but you should feel comfortable with the dealer as he will support you for many years to come)
2) Which tractor is less expensive (given that they are essentially equal machines, the lower priced machine should be given some extra consideration).
3) Which tractor is more comfortable to you? (does the seat adjust enough, do the controls fall in a familiar spot, are they easy to reach, etc)

I could go on and say what my choice would be, or that I like brand X, but really it is up to you and which one you like better based on some of the above questions.

 

[cag]

Thanks for the info, and I am doing the rounds, so far with my search I do agree with you that both machines are very impressive. Thanks again, from the great white north!

 

[Joe1]

You may have already ruled these out, but John Deere's 2210 and the small frame New Hollands would be two other excellent tractors to consider in that size. You'll also get suggestions from Chineese and Korean tractor owners.

Good luck.

Joe

 

[28RedHorses]

When you talk with both of the dealers arrange for them to bring the equiupment to your place and let you try it for a few days. This is the best way to see and feel how the equipment works. And it's done at your pace /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.

Any dealer that is worth a darn will do this. Also as part of this have them go over the equipment with you and show you how to use it. Each one is different.

Good luck!

28Red /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[art]

Boy, I guess I'd be out of the running if a two day demo is to be done. When we do know the people I might consider it but for someone to just walk in ask, sorry but I don't mean to sound hard but chances are that means a minimum of four hours of the helps time to deliver and review with the perspective owner and probably if you don't get the sale a unit with three to five hours that will be dirty to sell to someone else at an even greater discount! Been there done that, I'd like to stay in buisness! I will take a unit out and give an hour or two of free time but don't ask for days of it as any dealer who has been around and wants to has been abused more then enough. I've done that thinking good thoughts and lost enough. We for the most part stay with the units. We might sneak out for lunch or to visit someone else but no unlimited demos!

 

[Bird]

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Art; just can't imagine a dealer delivering a new tractor to someone to try out for a few days, although apparently it is done by some dealers. If the potential buyer decides not to buy, how much will the dealer have to discount that "used" tractor to sell it to someone else? And while I know nothing about the various arrangements, I can't help but wonder about insurance on a new piece of equipment "loaned" to a potential customer.

I might could understand a dealer doing that with a used piece of equipment, but not new.

 

[cag]

I tell you i love this site plenty of info and it just keeps comming /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[28RedHorses]

One would assume (and I hate to use that word) that you being the dealer has qualified your potential sale prior to anything happening with equipment. Having said that it is now your choice to do business the way you see fit. Whether that means doing demos or not, whatever works for you in the selling role.

In the consumer roll I stand by what I said about the demo. All three makes I looked at did this (Massey, New Holland, and John Deere). I got the equipment for a weekend with the implements that I was interested in buying. I put on maybe three to five hours of use each over that two day period. Some were demo units and some were new units. I had a feeling that the Massey and NH dealers knew I was close.

If you are going to spend this type of $$$ then you need to see how their equipment will work in your environment. If the selling dealer isn't willing to do that then you do have options...look elsewhere. For me this paid off. There was a big difference with me for these two machines. One was more comfortable and easier to operate in my environment. Want to guess which one won? It also gave me insight into how their customer care and service would work in the event that I purchased the equipment.

Ultimately each person has to create their own buying criteria. That is an individual choice. This was my choice and it worked for me.

Again my three cents....

28Red /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[cag]

Comparing apples to apples I would have to say the gc2310tlb is slightly ahead of bx23 when you compare both machines from their specs. And I will be trying both of them when I'm ready to buy.

 

[Kiohio]

Gotta agree with Art "been there done that"

I ALMOST did something like that for a customer.
Took the tractor out...stayed with the tractor(customer not happy over that one) watched him borderline abuse the tractor.....asked to show him a few things and slowed it down a bit.
Truth was he wanted to backfill around his new house.
Had another brand coming the weekend after mine was supposed to be there.....
He didn't buy either...used the local dealers and got his work done for free equipment and free fuel.
Can't stay in biz like that.

I would love to be able to do it but it just can't happen.

Not all people are trustworthy

KO

 

[ChristopherTN]

Dealers aren't trustworthy either. I was/am new to tractor use and buying. Dealer told me my mf231 was a 95 model with 200 hours. Come to find out it was 90 model and hour meter didn't work. After several letters/calls to AGCO found out tractor rear main gears had been replaced under warranty also. Don't get me wrong it is a great tractor I've had for almost 7 years now and wouldn't get rid of but I'd definitely want it at least looked at by a mechanic and a test drive new or not. My dad just bought a john deere which he used for about 6 unattended hours before buying. You would test drive a car right. Tractors are just as big an investment. Just my .02 Christopher

 

[Kiohio]

This is true.....unfortunately.

The statement wasn't directed at ONLY customers.

You have to do your own homework and don't always believe the dealer.....or the customer. Always check serial numbers, etc. We have all been taken at least once and always by the person you thought you could trust.....I know I have. Most people figure a dealer makes alot of money so it won't hurt them to get stuck with a bad motor etc. This isn't true...it all adds to the bottom line.

That is why no-one can be trusted....on integrity alone.

Scary when you figure that alot of business things are done in trust.

KO

 

[ChristopherTN]

Didn't mean to stand on top of the soap box Kiohio I agree with both sides of the discussion. Also want to say thnks to all for the advice posted here. I have learned a lot. Can't say that I was completely hurt on the deal. Agco provided me with a couple of attachments and straightened out the hour meter for me. Dealer since went out of business and I think I've found someone decent to deal with. Again thanks to all the regulars for their help.

 

[Inspector507]

Kiohio,
I had no idea people used dealers like that, but I guess they do. Glad you and the lovely Mrs. Kiohio trusted me to drive out with that tooth bar....... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
In all honesty people, Kiohio ordered a toothbar for me without demanding payment up front. It came in and I went to pick it up without asking about payment options ( had no cash/check on me........silly me /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif). Jeff trusted me to send him payment for a toothbar I had already picked up. I think I had a check sent out in the next days mail. I knew he was a member here and if I stiffed him, well..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I would never have thought about stiffing him for that piddly amount of "profit" he made on that sale, let alone ask him to bring over a tractor for hours/days so I could backfill around my house. I would love to demo a tractor unattended for a few days, but I would never expect a dealer to actually agree to do that. Nor would I abuse something that belongs to someone else. Are there dealers that are willing to do that? Maybe so, but not around here /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif at least that I know of.
Edit......I had never met Kiohio until I went to pick up that toothbar.......but he trusted me /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[lablovers]

Yea, the story about the guy wanting a free tractor to backfill his house blew me away. I guess I should not be surprised. In my job, I provide design and engineering help for new products and it is not unusual for people and companies to use us for our expertise and then give the job to someone else with no consideration for the free engineering they received.

Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw for the local SPCA. It summed up my feelings about some people. It reads "The more I know people, the better I like my dog." /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Lablovers

 

[Inspector507]

Besides, I'd have to deal with his pretty half if I didn't pay /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[cag]

[to bring the equipment to your house to try it.] 28RED HORSES You received alot of attention with that one. Up here you either rent or try it in their yards. I haven't found a dealer that would let the machine go for a couple of days, If you hear of one PLEASE let me know and have them deliver it up north!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Charlie

 

[Charlie_in_TX]

In my recent tractor shopping I found one dealer who would let me take a unit home. It was the JD dealer. My family had spent near $100k with him in the last 10 yrs or so. He let me take a 2210, FEL, MMM. I filled the tank, did about 5 minutes of FEL work, and about 15 munites of mowing. Then I spent about an hour cleaning before returning it the next day. The rest of the dealers (2 Kubotas, 2 Mahindras, 1 Kioti, 1 MF, 1 NH) would not lend, rent, or tell me where I could rent one of their brands.

 

[28RedHorses]

Can do Charlie!

Good luck!

28Red /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif