Frying Pan Ocean Cam

[MossRoad]

According to the U.S. Flag Code: (bold emphasis me)

Time and occasions for display

(a) Display on buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open; night display
It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.

(b) Manner of hoisting
The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.

(c) Inclement weather
The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed.

What this says is you can fly the flag at night if it's lit AND you can fly it in inclimate weather if it's an all weather flag (that would probably mean a synthetic material, not cloth).

Personally, to me, flying the U.S. flag in a hurricane, if it's properly lit for night display, and made of an appropriate material, is the epitome of America thumbing its nose at nature and saying "Come on, let's see what you got!". I don't find it disrespectful at all and take it as a symbol of American toughness and grit. Just be sure to get it down as soon as possible after the storm if it's damaged.

So what about that giant flag they bring out at football and basketball games that covers the entire field or courts? Everyone loves that giant flag. Me to.

However, according to the U.S. Flag Code...

Scroll down to the Respect for Flag section:

c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

So, well, see..... uhhhh..... gee, they shouldn't be doing that. You got several hundred people carrying that giant flag and every last one of them should be chastised for being ignorant.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Like all things in life, we need to be practical and reasonable about it. I see nothing disrespectful in displaying those huge flags "flat"; in fact, the whole ceremony is about respect...besides, it's impossible to display it any other way. I respect the flag, and I respect my wife, but neither are a sterile, sealed-in-Nitrogen-and-glass and placed on an altar; but by the same token, neither are to be trampled, burned or urinated on. We attend a car show in Stillwater Oklahoma occasionally, and the Boy Scouts ceremoniously burn old, tattered, faded and worn flags...in the prescribed manner...which is OK; but not on a baseball field between innings as a symbol of disrespect.

This never fails to choke me up. I would be honored to shake the man's hand. I guess old Rick didn't have time to fold it or display it "upright".

Rick Monday saves American flag from protesters in 1976 - YouTube

 

[Sigarms]

Have to disagree with you on this one. But this is not political so nothing more.

Where do you disagree with me?

Very simple flag etiquette.

The reality is if you don't know that the US Flag should never be flown in the rain NOR at night unless a light is on Her, you have no right to speak about the Flag in my book.

What I find so ironic is so many "Americans" are ticked off at football players when more than half of those ticked off have no clue what the basic respect of the Flag is to begin with.

 

[Sigarms]

Personally, to me, flying the U.S. flag in a hurricane, if it's properly lit for night display, and made of an appropriate material, is the epitome of America thumbing its nose at nature and saying "Come on, let's see what you got!". I don't find it disrespectful at all and take it as a symbol of American toughness and grit. Just be sure to get it down as soon as possible after the storm if it's damaged.

If you believe man or man made material can withstand mother nature, you're not as smart as I thought you were.

Besides that, the flag in the video was tattered. Personally, the guy flying that flag did more desecration to the flat than any football player could do kneeling beacuse HE was the one who put it up there.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Very simple rule, if you put the flag up and you know you can't be around to take down if you need to take it down, don't put it up in the first place.

This is America, you're right. Only point is if you're going to get pissed (not necessarily you) for a guy kneeling in front of a flag in silent protest, get just as mad as plain ignorance on how to fly the flag. Ignorance is worse IMO.

Both are ignorant.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Didn't the flag that the national anthem was written about receive damage? Was there a light on it all night?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Didn't the flag that the national anthem was written about receive damage? Was there a light on it all night?

And it flew all night. Francis scott key was born a few miles from me. Never been by at night to see if the flag there is lit at night.

Personally, i think its better to fly the flag unlit, than not to fly one at all.

 

[Sigarms]

Didn't the flag that the national anthem was written about receive damage? Was there a light on it all night?

In a way, kneeling is more reverant than standing. My only point is as much as people have their head up their butt about a guy kneeling, they have it up as far as when it comes to the actual rules set forth by their own government on how to respect the Flag themselves.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Your point is well made and understood. The difference, as I see it, is the way it's interpreted. Flying the flag at night, or in the rain,while against the "rules", is not the act of someone who intends any disrespect. Careless maybe; but not anti American.

Intentionally kneeling, during the playing of the National Anthem, on national TV in front of millions of people, as a political gesture, in violation of the "rules" to protest an imagined social/racial injustice, which has been roundly discredited, is a despicable anti American act. It is disrespectful of those who have given their lives for this country, and an insult to a country of which I am intensely proud and equally loyal. I have no use for these...in the words of our President...S.O.B.'s.

 

[Sigarms]

Your point is well made and understood. The difference, as I see it, is the way it's interpreted. Flying the flag at night, or in the rain,while against the "rules", is not the act of someone who intends any disrespect. Careless maybe; but not anti American.

And what about flying a tattered Flag on a daily basis, or having the Flag caught on something?

The reality is most Americans have no clue about proper Flag protocol, but they darn well know that if someone isn't standing for the Flag, it's being "disrespected", but because they are ignorant, it's ok for them LOL

If football players were to face AWAY from the Flag while the NA is being played, I would see that as a sign of disrespect for the Flag.

I served our country, I have no qualms with people exercising their rights if they want to kneel during the NA. The reality is when the NA is playing, I only really worry about what I do. The same is said for praying. I pray, I don't care what everyone else does as long it it doens't infringe on my own right to pray. Now, burn the Flag as a "statement"? I'd have to make sure I wasn't there.

I've also had to knock on doors and tell people to change their Flag because it looked like crap and they shouldn't be flying it. God forbid if some of these people actually have to get rid of the Flag.

 

[MossRoad]

If you believe man or man made material can withstand mother nature, you're not as smart as I thought you were.

Besides that, the flag in the video was tattered. Personally, the guy flying that flag did more desecration to the flat than any football player could do kneeling beacuse HE was the one who put it up there.

The flag wasn't tattered when it went up. They guy couldn't risk his life to go out and take it down, and I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. I'm sure he'll take care of it as soon as it's humanly possible.

 

[MossRoad]

My wife and I walk through a cemetery 3-4 times a week after dinner. I can't count the number of flags placed at veterans graves that we've picked up that got blown over. Probably a couple hundred over the last 20 years. We put them back up if we know which graves they belong to. But the ones just laying in the grass next to the road, we pick up and take home. Every few years we give them to the Boy Scouts or American Legion for proper disposal.

My dad was a big flag guy. Always put it up on special days, and took it down at dusk. When I was little, back in the early 60's, he was still flying a 48 star flag. He was very happy when he got his 50 star flag and retired the 48. I still have it.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

It's disrespectful. Simple.
Like 2Lane explained very well .

 

[MossRoad]

It's disrespectful. Simple.
Like 2Lane explained very well .

What's disrespectful?

 

[Sigarms]

The flag wasn't tattered when it went up. They guy couldn't risk his life to go out and take it down, and I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. I'm sure he'll take care of it as soon as it's humanly possible.

I'm pretty certain that was a remote camera as no one was going to stay there during this storm (assuming it was for the hurricane).

You don't put up a Flag IMO when
1 - You have no clue when you are coming back to inspect the Flag
2 - You know a hurricane is coming

 

[MossRoad]

I'm pretty certain that was a remote camera as no one was going to stay there during this storm (assuming it was for the hurricane).

You don't put up a Flag IMO when
1 - You have no clue when you are coming back to inspect the Flag
2 - You know a hurricane is coming

Guess they shouldn't have left the flags on the moon. Better call NASA.

 

[Sigarms]

Guess they shouldn't have left the flags on the moon. Better call NASA.

Thank you for proving my point.

In the grand scheme of things do I lose sleep over people's ignorance on Flag Etiquette? Heck no.

Do I lose sleep over football players kneeling for the NA? Heck no as well.

What I find more disturbing is everyone else who knows jack crap about Flag Etiquette losing sleep or getting pissed at a bunch of football players kneeling for the NA

 

[MossRoad]

Thank you for proving my point.

In the grand scheme of things do I lose sleep over people's ignorance on Flag Etiquette? Heck no.

Do I lose sleep over football players kneeling for the NA? Heck no as well.

What I find more disturbing is everyone else who knows jack crap about Flag Etiquette losing sleep or getting pissed at a bunch of football players kneeling for the NA

The kneeling doesn't bother me at all, given their stated intention as to why they're kneeling. But flag burning kinda sets me off. Not to the point of violence, though. Just to the point of Grrrr...

 

[Sigarms]

The kneeling doesn't bother me at all, given their stated intention as to why they're kneeling. But flag burning kinda sets me off. Not to the point of violence, though. Just to the point of Grrrr...

Part of my whole point...

A man kneeling in front of the Flag shows more respect to the Flag than burning it.

The reality is a bunch of us get our pants all up in a tightwad over nothing other than the fact that we WANT to feel pissed off.

If the NA is playing and the person "disrepecting" flag is doing NOTHING to draw attention to themselves, who should really care? (the REALITY is by kneeling, we GIVE those people the attention they are looking for by looking AT THEM instead of the flag).

Now, if the football players turned their back on the flag or made obscene gestures, that would be another story IMHO.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Part of my whole point...

A man kneeling in front of the Flag shows more respect to the Flag than burning it.

The reality is a bunch of us get our pants all up in a tightwad over nothing other than the fact that we WANT to feel pissed off.

If the NA is playing and the person "disrepecting" flag is doing NOTHING to draw attention to themselves, who should really care? (the REALITY is by kneeling, we GIVE those people the attention they are looking for by looking AT THEM instead of the flag).

Now, if the football players turned their back on the flag or made obscene gestures, that would be another story IMHO.

That's still were I disagree, especially if you are going to nit pick flag etiquette. It states to stand, face the flag, with your hand over your heart.

One is absolute disrespect, the other is unintentional ignorance typically.

I don't lose sleep. But I don't like it.