Found a coyote, I think

/ Found a coyote, I think #81  
Raspy,

Suggestion, when sandy shows bad behavior grab the hair in the back of her neck lift her a little off the ground and give her a good "shake" and firmly say no then ignore her for a short time. I know it seems harsh but in the wild if she were with her mother she would grab onto her little ones neck and shake showing her displeasure and dominance. In breading shepards my female would do that to the pups. You will have to let her know you are the Alpha not her. Reward good behavior.
 
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/ Found a coyote, I think #83  
Raspy,

Suggestion, when sandy shows bad behavior grab the hair in the back of her neck lift her a little off the ground and give her a good "shake" and firmly say no then ignore her for a short time. I know it seems harsh but in the wild if she were with her mother she would grab onto her little ones neck and shake showing her displeasure and dominance. In breading shepards my female would do that to the pups. You will have to let her know you are the Alpha not her. Reward good behavior.

I agree totally she needs to be corrected and that would be the way she would have gotten it. Our male wolf is hardheaded and can get that way but a sharp voice and grab him and he will settle down. Ignoring him after wards helps because they need the approval of the pack, and minutes seem like hours to them. She still needs some work but she is still young. You might try introducing on neutral territory.
Good luck
Randy
 
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DABSGT,

We tried that tactic with Sandy last night and this morning. She is not very focused and not responsive to "no". But pinching the skin on the back of her neck, shaking her enough to get her attention for a second and a sharp "no!" does the trick. It completely changes the subject and the behavior.

Thanks for the trick!

Her eyesight, coordination and physical strength are really improving now.
 
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Randy,

Beautiful dogs! Can you tell me some more about them?
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #86  
I have done this with every dog I ever owned, should work as with your little 'yote.

Flip the animal on its back, pin it to the floor with your arm / hand. Keep her on her back until she submits and looks away. By submitting I mean laying still and not fighting. You need to be giving her the evil eye...don't or look away until she does. I always used a release command like "all done", then I would get up and go about my way.

I would do this several times per day for several weeks. Progress is noted when the animal stays down on its back without me touching it.

This is how I establish that I am the alpha. It works great. Since you have a potentially "dangerous" animal, I would make sure you have every human in the house establish the alpha position over her. Good luck.

I might add, with our border collie, it was quite a battle. After 15 minutes, my back was killing me.. I resorted to growling and it only took a minute or two after that for her to submit.
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #87  
DABSGT,

We tried that tactic with Sandy last night and this morning. She is not very focused and not responsive to "no". But pinching the skin on the back of her neck, shaking her enough to get her attention for a second and a sharp "no!" does the trick. It completely changes the subject and the behavior.

Thanks for the trick!

Her eyesight, coordination and physical strength are really improving now.

John glad to be of some help.

David
 
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John, we have three dogs a black lab/golden retriever a schnauzer and what I believe is an american pit bull terrier ( on the left in the pic ) When people ask what she is, I tell them she is a mixed breed, boxer, boston terrier and bull dog. Because when most people hear any thing about a pit bull they don't like it.
 

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/ Found a coyote, I think #89  
I have done this with every dog I ever owned, should work as with your little 'yote.

Flip the animal on its back, pin it to the floor with your arm / hand. Keep her on her back until she submits and looks away. By submitting I mean laying still and not fighting. You need to be giving her the evil eye...don't or look away until she does. I always used a release command like "all done", then I would get up and go about my way.

I would do this several times per day for several weeks. Progress is noted when the animal stays down on its back without me touching it.

This is how I establish that I am the alpha. It works great. Since you have a potentially "dangerous" animal, I would make sure you have every human in the house establish the alpha position over her. Good luck.

I might add, with our border collie, it was quite a battle. After 15 minutes, my back was killing me.. I resorted to growling and it only took a minute or two after that for her to submit.

I did this with our German Shepherd and now (8 yrs. later) while petting her she will lay down and show her belly. Our Blue Heeler is a lot more stubborn and @ 4 yrs old still doesn't like to be done that way. He does come when called and stops doing things when called down. BTW I read that they have dingo in their bloodline. I almost forgot, I'm enjoying the thread and look daily for your posts. Thanks for putting it on.
 
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Randy,

Beautiful dogs! Can you tell me some more about them?

John they are full blooded wolves the white one is our female she is tundra/artic/ timber.
The brownish is Weasel our boy he is the white ones (nephew) her sisters litter. He is tundra/artic/timber/great plains(buffalo) he is also hard headed, he isn't bad aggresive whys but just into everything. He is to smart he opens doors and lets himself out. He is more vocal too, it seems mostly that is what gets him in trouble.
We have an underground fence for him Shadow isn't concerned with with running off, she might mosey down to the neighbors to visit then comes back home.
Thanks John
Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #91  
John they are full blooded wolves the white one is our female she is tundra/artic/ timber.
The brownish is Weasel our boy he is the white ones (nephew) her sisters litter. He is tundra/artic/timber/great plains(buffalo) he is also hard headed, he isn't bad aggresive whys but just into everything. He is to smart he opens doors and lets himself out. He is more vocal too, it seems mostly that is what gets him in trouble.
We have an underground fence for him Shadow isn't concerned with with running off, she might mosey down to the neighbors to visit then comes back home.
Thanks John
Randy

Nice looking animals. How did you happen across wolfs as a pet? Tried to talk wife into it was afraid they would be to wild.
 
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I once had a friend that had a small pet gator. Now, a few years later, I wish I still had my friend....:(
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #93  
My wife know I had always been intriqued with wolves and had found them advertised in a paper, we went to see the pups and met the adult ones and decided to give it a shot.That was the white one shadow I've had a lot of dogs and I don't think I would want to go back to a normal dog again. I think they said they were 10th generation breeding .
Thanks for asking
by the way we have cats in the house and chickens outside, when either were little they would guard them.

Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #94  
A friend of mine had a wolf/dog mix. Before they got it they researched it. If you put water down for it, if it laps the water, it is a good sign. If it sucks the water, don't get it...too much wolf.
 
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A friend of mine had a wolf/dog mix. Before they got it they researched it. If you put water down for it, if it laps the water, it is a good sign. If it sucks the water, don't get it...too much wolf.

I am more afraid of a wolf dog mix than a pure breed. Wolves have a fear of man I don't think it is good to have the strength without the fear of man. I have never heard of them sucking water! Mine sure do not.
 
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Well, it looks like it's almost time for Sandy to move to her next home. A place where she will be safe, have more room to roam around and get proper medical care. And a place that will not kill her.

She is becoming difficult. It happens when she is tired and mainly at night. Tonight for example, we were sitting on the couch and I was talking to her gently and petting her. Touching her tummy, rubbing her ears, praising her. I woke her up when I sat down next to her and she was very happy. Wolf kisses, laying on her back, nuzzling into my arm and nose up my sleeve.

Gradually getting more wound up and playfully biting me through my shirt, jumping down off the couch and back up. I began to stop her from biting and she ramped it up. I pinched the back of her neck, NO!, and she quieted down.

Time to go out and she peed immediately. Then digging in her heels and pulling on the leash. I relaxed the leash and she stopped pulling. I say "in!" and she pulls again. ("In" means back into the house and usually she goes right in). Finally after trying to calm her down for several minutes, I just dragged her in. She didn't want to be picked up. Snapping. In the house my wife, Liye, put on gloves and picked her up. She put her in her box and the battle began. Scratching, scratching to get out. I was talking to her and remained right there with her so she would not feel like she was being an outcast. More scratching. Finally she got her head out and forced the opening enough to get out. I tried to pick her up and she would not let me close without a clear threat of being bitten. Not attacking, but not accepting an approach to her.

That's the key to all of this. She won't allow anyone to get close when she is in this state of mind. So I picked her up by the leash and deposited her into her box and put the lid on to hold her.

More scratching for a minute and then silence as she fell asleep.

This behavior is happening over and over, in the late evening. She gets tired and cranky, even if she had a nap right before. Or it's just her time to be out at night on the prowl, hunting, like I hear them do all around my place almost every night.

She goes from completely docile to uncontrollable in a slow ramp up. Mainly around putting her to bed. It seems she wants to play and play and tear up everything with biting, pulling and chewing, especially at night. All puppies want to chew, I know, but she is like a little kid that gets sent to bed and throws a tantrum.

At night she seems different outside than she is during the day. Day she is wary and hides if there is a barking dog or a strange sound or if a stranger appears. At night she wants to pull on her leash and get away to run, even if there is no disturbing noise.

So, what does "wild" mean in terms of observed behavior? Not a sudden stealth attack, like a cat might do. Not a mindless, frantic, banging into things panic. But wariness that can be much more intense at times. Never a bark, but a wild scared look in the eyes. She seems to frantically avoid confrontation and tries very hard to get away from the leash or out of sight under the deck. When she is in that state of mind, even those she knows well and trusts become part of the problem and must be held at bay.

Then the night is over, she is rested and eager to get out of her box. She goes out to pee and, once again, loves to be touched. Has a bowl of breakfast and a drink of water. Attempts to play with the cat, who doesn't want anything to do with her. Romps around with Bei Bei. Gets snarled at by Eddie. And all is back to normal. A few wolf kisses and a few torn pieces of paper. Lots of romping around and curiosity. My shoes carried around and an old glove chewed a bit more. Typical puppy and all others in the house deal with her in their own way. Bei Bei reminds her who the Alpha dog is a couple of times. Liye and I reduce the intensity of our concern. We chat about it during the day.

Then the long day ends and she gets tired and cranky and wary and???here we go again.

To keep her much longer would seem to mean these problems would be coming from a bigger and bigger dog. A stronger and stronger dog. I have been wondering how I'd deal with her health care during such a fear driven state of mind. Muzzle her? Sedate her? How? I can fence in a nice big yard and set her free in there with lots of sand and bushes and water and food and bunnies and snakes and squirrels, etc. But that really doesn't solve the problem of health care or strangers. And at 35 lbs or so and living part time in the yard, can we trust her with the other dogs or with us if she gets upset?

We love her. I respect the healthy, beautiful, honest, powerful and successful animal she is. If there was ever a strong and healthy animal, it's her. Just imagine dogs in the wild. Only the strong survive. Constant competition. Adapted through thousands of generations, where only the most fit survived, to be perfectly fit for her environment. Perfectly tuned for the task at hand, survival. It means everything works perfectly. Body, mind and hardwiring. Plus a bit of luck to avoid predators. It means her parents were perfect to. Perfect in their health, their timing, their choice of a den, their hunting skills, their location amidst water and food.

All of that world is going on right now as I write this. Right now, this minute.

And one of those creatures that crossed paths with one of us got swept up in an adventure that affected all concerned. An ambassador. An unwitting teacher. A fun pal. An inspiring beauty. A myth slayer. A misfit. The very definition of a helpless little creature. A powerful survivor.

We were able to give her all she needed for a while, but not for much longer as she accelerates onward. She is not adaptable enough to our world and we are not adaptable enough to hers. Still, it's a close call and under a bit more favorable conditions, would work.

Now, the mechanics of the move. A long car trip. Negotiations. Liye's tears. Plans to visit. Thoughts of another dog we can keep, but not yet. (we were not looking for a dog when Sandy showed up and never realistically entertained the idea of keeping her. But we wanted to see for ourselves why it was a bad idea. Besides, I don't take advice from fear driven folks who have no experience in the area they're advising about)

My long running curiosity is now somewhat satisfied about wild coyotes, but I will seriously miss her. Always on a quest to understand them better, always loving dogs, I've found out they are all and more than I thought. Better than I dared to hope. She will be remembered.

Now, after another struggle this evening and some decisions made, she's lounging in the dog bed with that old glove. Quiet, busy and peaceful. Right in the middle of the room. Occasionally noticing the cat or getting up to visit Bei Bei. Seems idyllic, for now.

Then she needs to go out and the night turns her into a wild thing. She won't come in on her own and won't let me pick her up. Once in though, she's a playful puppy jumping and chewing. She's back in her safe zone and OK to approach. Soon she's asleep with the glove under her chin.

Liye would love to get a full night's sleep and hasn't for weeks. We've been traveling back and forth between the Bay Area and Northern Nevada. I'm building our house in Nevada and working in the Bay Area. Lot's of irons in the fire. And a coyote has been going with us wherever we go! It's getting to be a bit much. Too bad we can't just take her back to the spot our neighbor found her and let her get on with life in the wild.

This story and the many other posts only touch on the high points. The most indicative. Everyday life with her is filled with so many fun events. Plus the bigger picture of the natural world brushing up against the, so called, civilized world. We built our home in her world and found her practically in our back yard. Meanwhile, jackrabbits and cottontails by the hundreds, birds, voles, mountain lions, bears, dear, mustangs, squirrels, antelope, lizards and snakes, among so many other creatures are roaming all over the place nearby. We even have toads here in the high desert! Not to mention all the sheep and cattle. How could one baby dog affect us so much?

I'll follow up as things progress. Thanks for all the thoughtful posts!
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #98  
Wow it sounds like you are getting backed in a corner. I don't like the idea of caged enclosure, nor putting here down. What evidence is there that she cannot be assimilated back into a pack in the wild? When I decided to let Rocky go right out of my back door, he had a hard time for about a week. There were fights, he came home with some wounds, but in the end he became accepted. Of course raccoon's and 'yotes are different, but I kinda would lean towards turning her loose on a very remote large private property with permission of course. Maybe then she can have a chance at living free or die trying...better then a cage in my opinion.
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #99  
Raspy, congrats for going in eyes wide open...glad you are aware of differences between wild and domestic critters...all the best, keep us posted.
 
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Motor,

It seems they get taught to hunt by their mother and she starts before six weeks.

Turning her loose far away would mean she couldn't come home if she was hungry and unable to get food. I'm afraid it would lead to a slow agonizing death and being killed by a predator. We'd never know her fate.

The modern rescue zoos have beautiful large enclosed areas with dirt yards, trees and shelter that allows them to hide and to sleep in peace. It's not as good as the wide open spaces, but it could never be mistaken for a cage. And she wouldn't get used for target practice by some jackass.

A couple of experts have said she's too old unless there is a younger one with her and they can learn together.
 

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