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Sooooo. whats for dinner? Are we having cocktails before?:licking:
Found a coyote, I think
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Chinese pasta soup with beef and chicken in a spicy tomato broth.
Hot pepper beef with peperoncini and rice.
Peanut butter cookies and Makers Mark Whisky for desert.
Excellent.
And all the while, a small coyote playing around the table. Jumping, and rolling around with the other dogs or resting on the couch and watching the proceedings with sleepy eyes.
The wood stove flickering in the corner and the full moon lighting the night outside.
Hanging out with good friends, laughing and playing games.
Hot pepper beef with peperoncini and rice.
Peanut butter cookies and Makers Mark Whisky for desert.
Excellent.
And all the while, a small coyote playing around the table. Jumping, and rolling around with the other dogs or resting on the couch and watching the proceedings with sleepy eyes.
The wood stove flickering in the corner and the full moon lighting the night outside.
Hanging out with good friends, laughing and playing games.
RandyBell
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I think that coyotes like wolves are a very social animal and they bond deeply to their pack. While they are pups they both seem to be wary of everything, hence the socializing with every thing she could come in contact with. It is difficult, but my wife spent 24 7 with ours when they were pups. Traing her on the leash is good saves trouble down the road. By the looks of the pics she is doing well. Mine have never been chained up, and from what I have seen of others that have it is not good, they need to be with their pack( your family). Is she getting better about her growling over her food? I don't know what you are feeding her, but any quality dog food will be good, we supliment ours with frozen Bil-Jac it is high protien and helps with their extra needs.
Good Luck
Randy
Good Luck
Randy
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Randy,
I don't know if she is getting better about the food. As she changes her eating schedule and frequency and food, it doesn't always coincide with the other dogs. Plus the other dogs get a cabbage treat in the evenings. But Sandy eats with an urgency. The bottle feeding period was sort of frantic and that urgency seems to have carried over to the regular food in a bowl. In the wild I'm sure there would be a lot of competition, so I just see it as natural. None of them are going hungry.
I'm curious as to what the next step will be in her development. She growls and plays but is extremely gentle in her biting. As I've mentioned before, she will close her mouth down on fingers or my wrist, even while growling, but with only the slightest pressure. Very loving. She romps and bites with our terrier, like a sister. But at what age will she begin to be more wild or more aggressive? Even now she is very sensitive to strange sounds and wants to go hide or pulls on her leash mindlessly. If she was bigger, she could be a handful, especially if she was more aggressive.
Tonight she, once again displayed a sort of hyper activity. Running around and trying to tear up everything. Playing, growling and looking for anything to play with. Just what I'd expect from a puppy. But she does it when she is really tired and ready to go to bed. So we put her in her box and cover it and she is quiet immediately and off to sleep. Sort of like an over tired kid.
She now knows "eat", "be nice", "sit", "pee", "poo", "go home", "drink water". Of course, she's wild and distracted most of the time. So those words don't always mean much.
We leave the leash on her a lot of the time and she drags it around seemingly without thought. Then we tie her up for short periods outside so she can go in her regular spot. She is beginning to get herself untangled if it's not to complicated. But she doesn't want to be led around on the leash and pulls back with her feed dug in. We will never chain her and leave her.
I'm now considering a fenced in area where al the dogs could spend time and have a lot of freedom. It's high desert here and they might have an area of about 80' by 60' of natural plants and sandy ground. The rabbits could come and go to, if the wire is the right size. We have lots of jacks and cottontails.
I don't know if she is getting better about the food. As she changes her eating schedule and frequency and food, it doesn't always coincide with the other dogs. Plus the other dogs get a cabbage treat in the evenings. But Sandy eats with an urgency. The bottle feeding period was sort of frantic and that urgency seems to have carried over to the regular food in a bowl. In the wild I'm sure there would be a lot of competition, so I just see it as natural. None of them are going hungry.
I'm curious as to what the next step will be in her development. She growls and plays but is extremely gentle in her biting. As I've mentioned before, she will close her mouth down on fingers or my wrist, even while growling, but with only the slightest pressure. Very loving. She romps and bites with our terrier, like a sister. But at what age will she begin to be more wild or more aggressive? Even now she is very sensitive to strange sounds and wants to go hide or pulls on her leash mindlessly. If she was bigger, she could be a handful, especially if she was more aggressive.
Tonight she, once again displayed a sort of hyper activity. Running around and trying to tear up everything. Playing, growling and looking for anything to play with. Just what I'd expect from a puppy. But she does it when she is really tired and ready to go to bed. So we put her in her box and cover it and she is quiet immediately and off to sleep. Sort of like an over tired kid.
She now knows "eat", "be nice", "sit", "pee", "poo", "go home", "drink water". Of course, she's wild and distracted most of the time. So those words don't always mean much.
We leave the leash on her a lot of the time and she drags it around seemingly without thought. Then we tie her up for short periods outside so she can go in her regular spot. She is beginning to get herself untangled if it's not to complicated. But she doesn't want to be led around on the leash and pulls back with her feed dug in. We will never chain her and leave her.
I'm now considering a fenced in area where al the dogs could spend time and have a lot of freedom. It's high desert here and they might have an area of about 80' by 60' of natural plants and sandy ground. The rabbits could come and go to, if the wire is the right size. We have lots of jacks and cottontails.
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Sounds like you have it under control, the only thing I can think of is when she is playing and gets to rough ( bites to hard, or jumping up at you, ect.) is to let her know you don't like it. Raise your voice, tell her No, Bad and stop playing with her for a little while, it won't take long. Her litter mates and mother would have done the same she just needs the input to know when stop or how far to push. You are right they act just like a young child they get rowdy and carry on to fight off going to sleep, you are ahead of her on this just put her to bed. Our Boy is 4 but he still bounces off the walls at times, especially Saturday mornings when he thinks that I should be outside playing with him.
Have fun, take it day by day and enjoy
Randy
Have fun, take it day by day and enjoy
Randy
redlevel
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You have interfered with nature. Hope it doesn't bite you in the butt. Literally. It appears you have abandoned any pretense of giving up the coyote. (Your references to rabies shots at 4 months) That coyote will always be a wild animal. You might be interested in this story.
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Red,
Many, many of us interfere with nature in any number of ways. So did ancient people when they began to live closer to dogs that were wild. So does modern man when he hunts just for sport. People love to shoot coyotes just for the fun of it.
I'm curious enough about life that Im willing to go learn about animals in an unusual setting. To take a look at our dogs wild ancestors, or the wild ones that live outside and thrive. How do they differ from the ones we call pets?
As I have mentioned before, this situation fell in our lap. We tried to send her back to the wild and it didn't work. So the choices were to leave her to freeze to death (and she almost did) or bring her in and save her.
One night led to two, and on to six weeks and counting. She might go to her next home next week, or it might be a couple of months. We will keep her safe and enjoy the time while we can.
The most valuable input is from those with some experience. And I'm also taking all the fearful reactions into account too, as part of the study.
One of the things about this study is learning how to care for an animal that is so close to the ones we live with, but so reviled by almost everyone. It's tricky. Veterinary care is one of the problems. Vaccinating is another. Then there's food and care. Establishing a good enough rapport to allow everyone involved to thrive. And finding her a place to move on to when it's time. It was too late to give her back to her mother on the first night and I had no intention of killing her. Once she entered our life and home, her life changed course and she survived.
I don't know how long she will be with us and I have no intention of waiting to the last minute to learn the things I might need, like how to vaccinate her.
To me it's very interesting to see the similarities and the differences between domestic dogs. So much can be learned. So far I really can't see any differences except she gets tired and cranky and she is a bit more wary than I might expect.
She's fun and is learning lots of things. She is setting up habits that serve her by giving her a sense of routine and safety. She is part of the pack and establishing her place in the hierarchy. She has a den that is safe.
This isn't easy, but so far it's been a lot of fun and an experience neither of us will forget. The neighbors we have let in on the secret are getting a lot out of it too.
So you are right, but you are missing the point. Life and learning are two very important things to me and I'm willing to take some risk to safe a dog and get to know an animal that I otherwise would not. And, by the way, even I have enough sense not to live with a Cheetah.
Something you might consider unnatural, might be far more natural than you realize.
Meanwhile, she is batting a ball around the living room floor, chasing and having fun. We all spent the day four wheeling up to 9,000' in the high desert. Out walking around, exploring, taking pictures and picking up rocks. She was right there and having a great day with me, my wife and our other two dogs.
I'll keep you posted.
Many, many of us interfere with nature in any number of ways. So did ancient people when they began to live closer to dogs that were wild. So does modern man when he hunts just for sport. People love to shoot coyotes just for the fun of it.
I'm curious enough about life that Im willing to go learn about animals in an unusual setting. To take a look at our dogs wild ancestors, or the wild ones that live outside and thrive. How do they differ from the ones we call pets?
As I have mentioned before, this situation fell in our lap. We tried to send her back to the wild and it didn't work. So the choices were to leave her to freeze to death (and she almost did) or bring her in and save her.
One night led to two, and on to six weeks and counting. She might go to her next home next week, or it might be a couple of months. We will keep her safe and enjoy the time while we can.
The most valuable input is from those with some experience. And I'm also taking all the fearful reactions into account too, as part of the study.
One of the things about this study is learning how to care for an animal that is so close to the ones we live with, but so reviled by almost everyone. It's tricky. Veterinary care is one of the problems. Vaccinating is another. Then there's food and care. Establishing a good enough rapport to allow everyone involved to thrive. And finding her a place to move on to when it's time. It was too late to give her back to her mother on the first night and I had no intention of killing her. Once she entered our life and home, her life changed course and she survived.
I don't know how long she will be with us and I have no intention of waiting to the last minute to learn the things I might need, like how to vaccinate her.
To me it's very interesting to see the similarities and the differences between domestic dogs. So much can be learned. So far I really can't see any differences except she gets tired and cranky and she is a bit more wary than I might expect.
She's fun and is learning lots of things. She is setting up habits that serve her by giving her a sense of routine and safety. She is part of the pack and establishing her place in the hierarchy. She has a den that is safe.
This isn't easy, but so far it's been a lot of fun and an experience neither of us will forget. The neighbors we have let in on the secret are getting a lot out of it too.
So you are right, but you are missing the point. Life and learning are two very important things to me and I'm willing to take some risk to safe a dog and get to know an animal that I otherwise would not. And, by the way, even I have enough sense not to live with a Cheetah.
Something you might consider unnatural, might be far more natural than you realize.
Meanwhile, she is batting a ball around the living room floor, chasing and having fun. We all spent the day four wheeling up to 9,000' in the high desert. Out walking around, exploring, taking pictures and picking up rocks. She was right there and having a great day with me, my wife and our other two dogs.
I'll keep you posted.
Raspy,
I wouldn't worry too much about a vet turning you in... We leave in a society of paranoia. Go to exoticanimalsforsale.com. It's crazy what you can buy right here in the USA!!! They everything from camels, cats, wolf pups, sloths, to stuff I've never even heard of. The seller's info is listed and how much they want. They also list what state they are in. Did you know a two toed sloth can carry leprosy? I'd personally like to try raising a fox someday. I was driving through the country one time in a part of the county I don't go to very often. I looked across the field and saw a camel standing amongst the horses! I had a few beers earlier in the day but not that many!! I've been been that farm several more times to show some friends. I think there are a lot more exotic animals around then we know!
I wouldn't worry too much about a vet turning you in... We leave in a society of paranoia. Go to exoticanimalsforsale.com. It's crazy what you can buy right here in the USA!!! They everything from camels, cats, wolf pups, sloths, to stuff I've never even heard of. The seller's info is listed and how much they want. They also list what state they are in. Did you know a two toed sloth can carry leprosy? I'd personally like to try raising a fox someday. I was driving through the country one time in a part of the county I don't go to very often. I looked across the field and saw a camel standing amongst the horses! I had a few beers earlier in the day but not that many!! I've been been that farm several more times to show some friends. I think there are a lot more exotic animals around then we know!
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Raspy, It is a wonderful learning experience that a lot of people will never undertake or understand, and a connection with life that most people can not fathom.:thumbsup:
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Randy,
Well said.
It's touching, educational, fun. A real connection with the wild all around us. And yet so similar to the experience of having a regular dog. So far, no different.
I look at her in amazement. This healthy, strong, smart and fun little dog came in from the wild and brought a ton of personality with her. She already knew how to interact with our dogs and they know she is a baby with special needs.
Her siblings and thousands of others just like her are romping around being dogs, right now, somewhere out in the brush.
This one is thriving in our world.
Changes come almost everyday. She can now jump up onto the couch, her tail and rear legs are getting thicker and feel real solid. She is getting more gray in her coat and tail. And she is actively looking for toys around the house to chase and bite.
Well said.
It's touching, educational, fun. A real connection with the wild all around us. And yet so similar to the experience of having a regular dog. So far, no different.
I look at her in amazement. This healthy, strong, smart and fun little dog came in from the wild and brought a ton of personality with her. She already knew how to interact with our dogs and they know she is a baby with special needs.
Her siblings and thousands of others just like her are romping around being dogs, right now, somewhere out in the brush.
This one is thriving in our world.
Changes come almost everyday. She can now jump up onto the couch, her tail and rear legs are getting thicker and feel real solid. She is getting more gray in her coat and tail. And she is actively looking for toys around the house to chase and bite.
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Check with your state DEP or look up on Internet you may only need to apply for a license or permit to hold onto Sandy. There may be some requirement like fencing medical care and I'm sure a permit fee. If that is the case you will not have to worry about loosing sandy.
Check with your state DEP or look up on Internet you may only need to apply for a license or permit to hold onto Sandy. There may be some requirement like fencing medical care and I'm sure a permit fee. If that is the case you will not have to worry about loosing sandy.
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By the way my wife and I are enjoying the post and always look for photos.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
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I also am following along and enjoying. I have raised up a host of wild animals. Even had my share of snakes...some poisonous...when I had my terrariums. I have discovered there are different kinds of intelligences in the animal world. Some may not be "smarter", than others...only different. Just as with us humans now, and our ancestors a thousand years ago. I think that is a great thing you are doing Raspy, as well as a great learning experience. Don't let the ne'er-do-wells discourage you.
bglz42
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Two thumbs up to Raspy!
My wife and I have rescued all sorts of critters over the years... but never a coyote! So, we are enjoying this thread!
You folks are A-OK in our book!
My wife and I have rescued all sorts of critters over the years... but never a coyote! So, we are enjoying this thread!
You folks are A-OK in our book!
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Thanks for all the great comments. It's good to see the caring side of my friends here.
Sandy is showing more of her developing personality. She has some distinct personalities she can display.
One is a very docile and loving little girl that just loves to be touched.
Then she can be playful and mischievous. Into everything and full of imagination.
Then she becomes tired and cranky. Her wolf kisses become more dangerous.
Then she can be scared and aggressive. Biting is likely.
We drove about 250 miles tonight with three dogs and a cat in the car. Sandy was pulling papers out of my bag and chewing them, then pulling stuff out of my shirt pocket to chew. They were all trying to get organized in the back seat and we heard an occasional snap. We stopped up in the high country by a river and the dogs jumped out to go exploring.
She is becoming more of a handful and not always as docile as before, plus bigger. But she is not the alpha dog and gets shown her place every day. I think it's because she has no social graces and just runs over the other two until they get fed up and snap.
Yesterday our neighbor came by with his dog Gus. A very robust vizsla that is full of energy. Sandy has her eyesight now and was upset. The other dogs like Gus and get revved up when he comes to visit. Previously our terrier would protect Sandy from Gus, but this time Sandy was ready to kill and needed no protection. See the pix.
The first one is her at peace at home
The next one is playing with Bei Bei, our terrier
The next ones are dealing with Gus. Wow!
The last one really shows the how developed her eyes are and her dependence on them. Just last week her eyes were still foggy looking and she used them mainly for light sensing, but not for wary viewing. Not with the kind of clarity she has now.
Sandy is showing more of her developing personality. She has some distinct personalities she can display.
One is a very docile and loving little girl that just loves to be touched.
Then she can be playful and mischievous. Into everything and full of imagination.
Then she becomes tired and cranky. Her wolf kisses become more dangerous.
Then she can be scared and aggressive. Biting is likely.
We drove about 250 miles tonight with three dogs and a cat in the car. Sandy was pulling papers out of my bag and chewing them, then pulling stuff out of my shirt pocket to chew. They were all trying to get organized in the back seat and we heard an occasional snap. We stopped up in the high country by a river and the dogs jumped out to go exploring.
She is becoming more of a handful and not always as docile as before, plus bigger. But she is not the alpha dog and gets shown her place every day. I think it's because she has no social graces and just runs over the other two until they get fed up and snap.
Yesterday our neighbor came by with his dog Gus. A very robust vizsla that is full of energy. Sandy has her eyesight now and was upset. The other dogs like Gus and get revved up when he comes to visit. Previously our terrier would protect Sandy from Gus, but this time Sandy was ready to kill and needed no protection. See the pix.
The first one is her at peace at home
The next one is playing with Bei Bei, our terrier
The next ones are dealing with Gus. Wow!
The last one really shows the how developed her eyes are and her dependence on them. Just last week her eyes were still foggy looking and she used them mainly for light sensing, but not for wary viewing. Not with the kind of clarity she has now.
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I was wondering how she was going to handle new people and other animals not in her pack. I think that is going to be a big obstacle and that she may not be "socialiazable"(yes I made that word up, but it makes sense to me
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I have a Chesapeake Bay retriever. After raising Goldens and Labs I wanted something different....and boy is he. Very leery of new people...until he gets to know you, then he can be a pest. That's the opposite of a lab or golden, but what a machine on a retreive....very impressive.
)I have a Chesapeake Bay retriever. After raising Goldens and Labs I wanted something different....and boy is he. Very leery of new people...until he gets to know you, then he can be a pest. That's the opposite of a lab or golden, but what a machine on a retreive....very impressive.
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I was wondering how she was going to handle new people and other animals not in her pack. I think that is going to be a big obstacle and that she may not be "socialiazable"(yes I made that word up, but it makes sense to me
I have a Chesapeake Bay retriever. After raising Goldens and Labs I wanted something different....and boy is he. Very leery of new people...until he gets to know you, then he can be a pest. That's the opposite of a lab or golden, but what a machine on a retreive....very impressive.
I have had Labs, and other breeds, (Dalmation, Chow, etc). I now have German Shepherd. This guy is nothing like the other dogs I have ever had. Not laid back and very intelligent, and leery of new people, too. Good qualities, I think. I am hooked on the breed. In a way kinda like the little coyote...
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I now have German Shepherd. This guy is nothing like the other dogs I have ever had. Not laid back and very intelligent, and leery of new people, too. Good qualities, I think. I am hooked on the breed. In a way kinda like the little coyote...[/QUOTE]
Redbug good choice with the German Shepard what you will find with him is the More time you spend with him and more work the smarter they become. As a police officer I had a K-9 partner for several years and that dog was one of the smartest I have ever seen. During training we were told that the GSD has the mental capacity of a 5 year old child.
They are protective of there "pack" family, leery of new people is good but they need to be socialized to prevent an accident. They should accept strangers. Best of luck with the best breed in my humble opinion.
Redbug good choice with the German Shepard what you will find with him is the More time you spend with him and more work the smarter they become. As a police officer I had a K-9 partner for several years and that dog was one of the smartest I have ever seen. During training we were told that the GSD has the mental capacity of a 5 year old child.
They are protective of there "pack" family, leery of new people is good but they need to be socialized to prevent an accident. They should accept strangers. Best of luck with the best breed in my humble opinion.
RobertBrown
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Hey man,
thanks for the pics, keep em coming
This is an important thread for a lot of people. Everyone is affected by coyotes these days and it seems to me they are going to be a bigger part of our lifestyle in the future.
This makes it easier to understand their part in our/the environment.
Things are going to start changing fast for you now so it's important to document.
hang in there:thumbsup:
