Tractor Sizing Foton 254

[13gef13]

I've been trying to find out, without any luck, the weight of the Foton 254 with and without 4 in 1 loader. I need to know if I can carry it on my car trailer. Also would like to know the weight of the bucket as I carry that on the ute if neccessary.
Thanks, Geoff

 

[greg_g]

Working weight w/o loader should be under 1200 kilos. I think my 1.550 meter 4-in-1 weighs in the neighborhood of 450 kilos. So lets say 400 kilos if you go with the smaller bucket. Depending upon which tires you select, you might need to consider ballast weight as well.

//greg//

 

[13gef13]

Do you know the approx weight of the bucket/scoop by itself?
Thanks, Geoff

 

[greg_g]

I can only speak for my 5 footer:
MODEL Frontier AY11H-60
Dimensions
Width, in. (cm) 61.88 (157.2)
Height, in. (cm) 26.94 (68.4)
Depth, in. (cm) 28.01 (71.1)
Cutting width, in. (cm) 60. (152.4)
Clam opening, in. (cm) 28.45 (72.3)
Weight
Operational, lb (kg) 360 (163.3)
Shipping, lb (kg) 385 (174.6)
Hydraulic cylinders
Type 2 - Double acting
Clamp force
Open, ft-lb (N) 3605 (16035.8)
Closed, ft-lb (N) 2378 (10577.9)

But this is on a 43hp John Deere. I'm thinking you might want to go smaller for a 254. A four footer for example, will likely run closer to 250 pounds; bucket only. Frame/arms/hydraulics/mounting hardware add up too.

//greg//

 

[RonMar]

I need to know if I can carry it on my car trailer. Also would like to know the weight of the bucket as I carry that on the ute if neccessary.
Thanks, Geoff

When you say "Ute", are you refering to a toyota sized 4 or 6 cylinder pickup/utility vehicle? From my few trips to Aus, that or a car turned pickup, reminiscent of the El-Camino here in the US(only smaller) was what I recall was passing as a "Ute" I have Toyota size trucks, and I don't think I would tow a trailer with my 254 on it with one of my trucks. My 254(jinma) weighs close to 2800 pounds without FEL, with FEL and subframe, it is closer to 3700 I think. With a trailer suitable to haul that much weight, the package approaches 5000 pounds. Better than 1 1/2 times my truck weight. I just don't have the brakes for that much weight... I have trailered my tractor, but I did it with a full sized V8 powered truck with a very heavy dual axle trailer, and I definitely knew it was back there...

 

[Jose G]

Chinese tractor are heavier without any doubt (compare to any known brand), i haul mine on a 2x 3500# axles car trailer with a F-150

 

[Bob Rooks]

Chinese tractor are heavier without any doubt (compare to any known brand), i haul mine on a 2x 3500# axles car trailer with a F-150

Then your trailer has a 7,000 lb. GVW capacity. Assuming the trailer weighs around 1,500 lbs. that leaves you with a maximum 5,500 lb. payload.

 

[jkis]

hi gef, not sure if i can help or not, i have the 250 foton 2wd and slasher, from memory it comes in around 1350 kg, i didn't go the 4wd because i would of been overweight for the trailer, gross is 2t, claimed weight for 2 trailers i have had was 500kg when i weighed them both came in at 600kg, i would recommend the electric brakes not the override, i sold the trailers and bought a small truck havent looked back, much better
cheers stuart

 

[RonMar]

Then your trailer has a 7,000 lb. GVW capacity. Assuming the trailer weighs around 1,500 lbs. that leaves you with a maximum 5,500 lb. payload.

That's an acceptable trailer for the job, but depending on which F150 you have, that might be getting close to the towed weight limit on some models of the 150(7800 LB for trailer all-up/gross weight) I used a larger truck last time I moved mine

 

[greg_g]

Must be embarrassing for F150 owners to watch my Porsche towing 7700 pounds.

//greg//

 

[Diamondpilot]

Our F150 FX4 4x4 Super Crew with the twin turbo 3.5L Eco Boost and 3.73 gears is rated at 11,300# towing.

Chris

 

[Jose G]

our is a F-150 Lariat 2004 Supercrew (5.4L), piece of cake to tow the tractor even without the electric brake (tried one time but prefer to have the full control), I did tow charge higher than 10 000# with it

i wish i had the money to buy your Cayenne Greg but its not the case hehe
if you compare the old V6 of the f-150... you just cant compare ?

 

[Bob Rooks]

Our F150 FX4 4x4 Super Crew with the twin turbo 3.5L Eco Boost and 3.73 gears is rated at 11,300# towing.

Chris

I'd love to see your EGT's. :licking::laughing:

 

[Jose G]

i guess an Ecoboost run somewhere between 1100 to 1300 ~ on the EGT since 11000+# is the rating from Ford... that mean he could tow more... (i see no reason to it being critical...)
you boost on the start and on acceleration... when climbing a hill too. and they probably sorted out the part throttle boosting when climbing long hill (impossible to boost for a long time without being critical so i guess the boost is computer regulated.)
im no Ecoboost specialist, but im Sold to Ford F truck and Mustang

EDIT on EGT reading...: (lowered the EGT number since they were very high, i tend to post at night while being sleepy)
it always depend on the engine/brand and on the type of fuel used but Diesel can go 1200 without any trouble continous (turbo inlet #), some can go as high as 1500 for short period... (depend on the engine and brand), let say no more than 4-5 mins.
Ecoboost is a gasoline engine, it can go high but not as long as the Diesel can. that's why i said the computer probably shut the boost to 0 when boosting for too long (climbing a hill for long moment).

 

[Bob Rooks]

i guess an Ecoboost run somewhere between 1500 to 1650 ~ on the EGT since 11000+# is the rating from Ford... that mean he could tow more... (i see no reason to it being critical...)
you boost on the start and on acceleration... when climbing a hill too. and they probably sorted out the part throttle boosting when climbing long hill (impossible to boost for a long time without being critical so i guess the boost is computer regulated.)
I'm no Ecoboost specialist, but I'm Sold to Ford F truck and Mustang

I drive a '08 F350 dually crew cab w/ 6.4L & compound turbos. I understand the Ecoboost is only on the F-150, so I know nothing about it. I know if I let my EMD engine's EGT's get into the teens for very long I'd be hurting.

 

[13gef13]

As the Foton 254 has such a good reputation and price I've decided to upgrade the AGM of both the trailer and ute. The trailer can definitely be done for about $1000, need to do more research on the GU 4.2 Patrol ute.
Thanks for the help and interest, Geoff