Float action on rear remotes

[powerscol]

Looking at several pieces of equipment that have hydraulic cylinders plumbed as single action. If I understand my rear remotes correctly, by using only one port, pushing the lever one way forces the fluid into the cylinder, and pulling it back would force against the plug (unused port), but allow fluid to be released from the cylinder.

However I know there is no float setting and several of the attachment indicate to have the cylinder in float so it can adjust to terrain. Would just releasing the pressure do this, or do I need a special valve in my system. In addition some equipment has double acting cylinders, and they too say to put in float during operation.

Trying to learn here

Merry Christmas - Keith

 

[J_J]

If the spool is in neutral. no flow is possible.

Float is used to follow the ground contour.

 

[powerscol]

So with the typical remotes on my tractor, how is this accomplished? And excuse me for being a dummy, what is meant by the spool, is it the valve and neutral is in the center position?

Thanks

 

[Threepoint]

Keith, double check this with your dealer, but if your CT 235 has the factory rear remote valves from Daedong, I do not think they have a float function. I know that Daedong doesn't offer rear remotes with float on the Kioti tractors.

 

[J_J]

The spool is the part that moves in and out of the valve when you move the levers.

It directs the fluid where it needs to go.

Some valves block flow to work ports in neutral.

If you want the cyl to stay in place, the neutral position can lock the cyl.

Float allows the fluid to flow from the cyl in neutral.

You can add float using this valve.

20 GPM 1/2" NPT FLOAT VALVE PRINCE SS-2B1D

Hydraulic valve spools.

 

[J_J]

The spool is the part that moves in and out of the valve when you move the levers.

It directs the fluid where it needs to go.

Some valves block flow to work ports in neutral.

If you want the cyl to stay in place, the neutral position can lock the cyl.

Float allows the fluid to flow from the cyl in neutral, as all valve ports are open to tank..

Hydraulic valve spools.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Keith, double check this with your dealer, but if your CT 235 has the factory rear remote valves from Daedong, I do not think they have a float function. I know that Daedong doesn't offer rear remotes with float on the Kioti tractors.

This has been hashed out several times here on TBN. The CKs with the 2nd rear remote can have the control valve with the float function. It is an option for that 2nd valve position.

 

[SSdoxie]

This has been hashed out several times here on TBN. The CKs with the 2nd rear remote can have the control valve with the float function. It is an option for that 2nd valve position.

For some unknown reason Bobcat never offered float option on their rear remote kits from Daedong.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

For some unknown reason Bobcat never offered float option on their rear remote kits from Daedong.

While this may be true, I was referring to this statement. And I know for a fact that the 2nd rear remote valve on a CK can have the float function.


Quote Originally Posted by Threepoint View Post

Keith, double check this with your dealer, but if your CT 235 has the factory rear remote valves from Daedong, I do not think they have a float function. I know that Daedong doesn't offer rear remotes with float on the Kioti tractors.

 

[powerscol]

Ill check it out. For some reason I remember reading somewhere this was true - I think it was in the parts book for Bobcat. I vaguely remember when working on the correct part number for the first set.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Ill check it out. For some reason I remember reading somewhere this was true - I think it was in the parts book for Bobcat. I vaguely remember when working on the correct part number for the first set.

If Bobcat does not offer it, go to Kioti and get the kit.

I have personally installed a top & tilt set on a Kioti CK27 that has the float function with the 2nd set of rear remotes which was installed at his request. Davrow who is a TBN member.

Hopefully he will look in and confirm this for you. Here is a picture of a guys CK35 with the float function. This does exist.

 

[SSdoxie]

Float option would have to be purchased through Kioti. Doesn't exisit in Bobcats's parts system. Be sure to check price difference between just the valve or complete 2nd valve kit. These rear remote valves are less expensive buying the kit including linkage tube lines than just the replacement valve. Not sur if Kioti is priced similar.

 

[Threepoint]

[snip]

Hopefully he will look in and confirm this for you. Here is a picture of a guys CK35 with the float function. This does exist.

Seeing is believing.:thumbsup: Thanks, Brian. I recall you mentioning this last March when we spoke about top 'n tilt. I'm wondering if Kioti still offers this for the CK. When I asked my dealer a few months ago about a floating rear remote for my NX4510HST, he said that Kioti doesn't offer it on any of its tractors. I said I'd heard that they had it for the CK series. He said nope. Keith, let us know what you find if you investigate further. It's worth pursuing, IMO.

 

[davrow]

I have personally installed a top & tilt set on a Kioti CK27 that has the float function with the 2nd set of rear remotes which was installed at his request. Davrow who is a TBN member.

Holidays and all - sorry it took so long for me to respond.

Here is my "installed by my Kioti dealer using Kioti parts" lever setup on my Kioti CK27 (new early this year):


and the rear connects:


Currently the backhoe is mounted. The A/B lever has a detent in B, so that lever is pushed forward (to B) and it stays there - allowing all the backhoe valves to have fluid flowing to them (and from there to tank). Putting that lever in B with no attachments or backhoe would deadhead the hydraulics.

The C/D lever (2nd remote) has the float (push past D). Depending on specific need it allows an attachment to rise and fall with the terrain. Basically it opens a fluid path between the sides of a double-acting cylinder so fluid can freely flow between the two sides.

Personally I imagine myself mostly using the float on the top link, although I can picture instances where it might be used on the side link.

 

[biodegraded]

Here is my "installed by my Kioti dealer using Kioti parts"

Could you provide the part number(s) for that valve? I got the same story that Kioti does not offer float valves for any tractor. If they do, there is a big disconnect between them and at least some of their dealers. It is a feature that is important to me as I make a tractor selection.

 

[powerscol]

Yes Part numbers would greatly help us.

 

[powerscol]

To help complete this thread the Kioti part number for the second valve is 322027. However there appears to be confusion if it will fit, and if the current production unit still has the float feature.

However I do have a question on using a single port on my current unit.

My sickle mower has a cylinder with one input (single acting I believe) with a vent on the other end.

To get it to lower under its one weight I need to bleed back the cylinder and have no pressure on it during operation. If I have it plugged into port A with nothing in port B, can I just move the lever towards B (dead heading) to get A to bleed down? In the Bobcat manual it indicated that the opposite position during operation is a return, so I am wondering if moving towards B would allow pressure to be released on the A line.

Thanks - Keith

 

[murphy1244]

To help complete this thread the Kioti part number for the second valve is 322027. However there appears to be confusion if it will fit, and if the current production unit still has the float feature.

However I do have a question on using a single port on my current unit.

My sickle mower has a cylinder with one input (single acting I believe) with a vent on the other end.

To get it to lower under its one weight I need to bleed back the cylinder and have no pressure on it during operation. If I have it plugged into port A with nothing in port B, can I just move the lever towards B (dead heading) to get A to bleed down? In the Bobcat manual it indicated that the opposite position during operation is a return, so I am wondering if moving towards B would allow pressure to be released on the A line.

Thanks - Keith

I think you would just turn the lever off and it will bleed back on its own.

 

[powerscol]

Bobcat Manual indicates in Neutral (center position between A and B) there is NO flow. It hold pressure at whatever it is in both lines.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Yes you can dead head the pump and get it to come down, or just turn the tractor off and let it down with no ill side affects. The Kioti parts will fit, the only question is, is the float position valve still available? My guess is yes, simply because they had stock and that valve was not a big seller. Double check with MI about their return policy, I would bet that you can order, receive and see that it is the float function set and be done with it. But if not, they should take it back. See if they will check for you when it comes in. that way if it is not a float function valve, they can just keep it and you don't have to pay the shipping costs.

Talk to them about it and what you want, all they can say is no they won't help you out, but if the answer is yes, then you are all set. They have the hose kit to run up front also, that way you can give them some more business. A win win for everyone.

Good luck.