Flail mower shear bolt — 12.9?

[S854]

As the title says… I found a 12.9 shear bolt on my brand spanking new flail mower PTO shaft… it’s roughly 5/16” X 2” …

I know, 12.9 is a metric rating but SAE bolts are easier to find and quite a bit less spendy… hence the std. measurement…regardless…

i pulled the bolt and underneath all that glorious goat-vomit yellow paint is a black (tempered?) bolt…

What’s a good SAE match for that 12.9?

I was thinking about starting with a grade 2… then moving up to grade 5 if the bolt shears too readily… good plan?

 

[BnRidge]

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[leonz]

If the bolt is black in color it is a 12.9 metric/grade 8 bolt or higher.
You need a grade 8 bolt and nut equivalent for this PTO Shaft if you
do not want to invest in 12.9.

 

[S854]

Thanks for the replies…

i‘m not quite sure I understand the various shear strength applications… I’ve read, here and elsewhere, “Don’t use anything other than a grade 2 bolt… you’ll destroy your tractor/implement gearbox”…

Then there’s my Danuser PHD… the users manual states, “Use only Danuser shear bolts as a replacement”… when I contacted Danuser to order a couple extras, they told me I could use a locally sourced, grade 5 bolt of the appropriate diameter…

The gearbox on my Danuser appears infinitely more robust than the box on my flail mower… and, yes, the bolt on the PHD is 1/2” rather than 5/16”…

I’ll be using a grade 8 (or higher) on my flail… I’m just trying to understand the recommendations of the engineers who designed these things…

 

[LD1]

See what the manual calls out for it.

I assume its a round bore and a round shaft that the shear bolt is actually bearing the load??
Sometimes the gearbox input is splined as is the shaft and the bolt is nothing more than to hold it onto the splines. I have seen people mistake the retaining bolt for a shear bolt, completely overlooking the fact that its a splined coupling.

Flail mowers are usually belt driven....and dont strilke me as the kind of application that requires a shear bolt protection.

But if in doubt, you could always put a slip clutch on it and not have to worry

 

[ovrszd]

LD1 mentioned my concerns. Is that truly a shear bolt? Does the flail have a slip clutch?

 

[ptsg]

That's indeed a shear bolt. You can see the Shear bolt style yoke of the PTO shaft in the back.

Looks like this:

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No idea how a 12.9 grade bolt ended up there but it's not correct at all unless it will be powered by tractor with a lot of HP. Should be a grade 4.8 or 5.8 at max.

 

[LouNY]

I have seen a lot of high tensile bolts used as shear bolts. It all depends on the implement and were and what it is protecting. The shear bolt hub pictured in ptsg's pic can have several torque ratings depending on the bolt used. Also, in just that style of shear pin protected devices there are many variations between the diameter of the bolts used the grades of the bolts used and then the hubs will vary in the bolt locations radius distance from the shaft centerline. When you start putting well over 100 hp or even 300 hp through the pto when a shear bolt is used it will be spec a bit different then implements built for 35 hp.

 

[Jims1025R]

The other thing to consider is that if you use a very hard bolt, let alone it maybe not shearing as soon as it should, if/when it does shear, it may do local damage to the holes in the coupling, which will be much more expensive to replace than some shear bolts. Use low strength bolts first, and only move to stronger as you find necessary.

 

[diesel85]

I have a couple implements that use this. I always start with a Grade 2 then work my way up until I'm satisfied.

Also goes without saying, most people forget... you should remove that shear bolt and make sure both the coupling and shaft actually move and not rusted together.

 

[LD1]

That's indeed a shear bolt. You can see the Shear bolt style yoke of the PTO shaft in the back.

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No idea how a 12.9 grade bolt ended up there but it's not correct at all unless it will be powered by tractor with a lot of HP. Should be a grade 4.8 or 5.8 at max.

Keener eyes than mine to pick that up.

In any case....this is a NEW flail mower. Probably under warranty. And I didnt see any mention of problems or breaking a shear bolt....

What does the manual say? What does the warranting dealer say?

 

[ruffdog]

Does the manufacturer install that grade bolt if there is a clutch installed? There is no way I would install that high grade bolt. I would get a 5/16" (same as 8mm) grade 5 bolt and use that.

 

[ovrszd]

Since I couldn't remember, I went to the machine shed and checked my old Ford 917L flail mower. It doesn't have any shear protection or slip clutch. The gear box shaft is splined. The PTO shaft is splined on each end.

As LD1 mentioned, Flails are belt driven as is mine. They also use swinging cutters that will deflect when hitting a fixed object. So, in my case, Ford decided it didn't need any protection.

I'm wondering if the bolt in question is used to disconnect the PTO shaft, rather than provide protection?

Curious to hear the answer. If we knew the brand/model, we could investigate this more thoroughly.

 

[Tinhack]

Is it belt driven? If it is, it probably doesn't need a shear bolt and that's why it came with a 12.9 from the factory. My flail is driven by three monster belts, and even they slip--Especially when it found about 100ft of old barbwire. My flail doesn't even have a provision for a shear bolt.

 

[ovrszd]

Is it belt driven? If it is, it probably doesn't need a shear bolt and that's why it came with a 12.9 from the factory. My flail is driven by three monster belts, and even they slip--Especially when it found about 100ft of old barbwire. My flail doesn't even have a provision for a shear bolt.

neither does mine.

 

[S854]

PTSG, that’s my shear bolt…

I have a Betstco 60" Medium Duty Flail Mower, FH-EFG155… belt Driven… going to go on the back of my Kioti CK2610 HST…

I purchased it just before Christmas … I assembled it a few days ago and have been familiarizing myself with its workings… which is how I discovered this shear bolt…

Yes, the belts would probably slip if I pick up something in the field which would lodge in the rotor and keep it from turning…

I tend to take into account “worst case scenarios“… implement gearbox failure, PTO U-joint failure etc… so I’m gonna start with a grade 2 bolt and work from there if necessary…

 

[ovrszd]

That's a very good plan!!!

 

[S854]

Is it belt driven? If it is, it probably doesn't need a shear bolt and that's why it came with a 12.9 from the factory. My flail is driven by three monster belts, and even they slip--Especially when it found about 100ft of old barbwire. My flail doesn't even have a provision for a shear bolt.

I’m relatively new to tractors and an absolute novice when it comes to PTO shafts…

Is there such thing as a “solid” PTO shaft? (I.e. a U-joint on each end but with no provision for a shear bolt/slip clutch anywhere along its length…)

 

[ovrszd]

I’m relatively new to tractors and an absolute novice when it comes to PTO shafts…

Is there such thing as a “solid” PTO shaft? (I.e. a U-joint on each end but with no provision for a shear bolt/slip clutch anywhere along its length…)

Yes. I mentioned that earlier on my Ford 917L Flail Mower. Has a 6 spline shaft on the gearbox. Have a 6 spline shaft on the tractor. The PTO shaft is built with a slip in the middle.

 

[LouNY]

PTO shafts are available in a multitude of configurations with and without shear bolts.
For an interesting read you can browse this catalog,Bare Co USA - P.T.O. INDEX