Filming in Public Places?

[Torvy]

Guys, I don't think my airspace extends indefinitely. The 400 ft that the FAA uses as a ceiling for drones seems about right. Not talking about shooting at manned aircraft. The "law' in this case is just a rule that the FAA made up. Like I said, i would be happy to be the test case to take it up the the court. They are not real keen on Executive departments writing laws that are the purview of the Legislative branch.

400 ft is a shot that could be made. In my case, I probably wouldn't shoot at anything that wasn't at 200' or less. Not going to mess with something in transit, either. I'm talking about the fundamental right to defend my property. If someone is hovering a drone over my property, it is my right to shoot it down if I can. The FAA doesn't supercede the Constitution.

 

[ovrszd]

Guys, I don't think my airspace extends indefinitely. The 400 ft that the FAA uses as a ceiling for drones seems about right. Not talking about shooting at manned aircraft. The "law' in this case is just a rule that the FAA made up. Like I said, i would be happy to be the test case to take it up the the court. They are not real keen on Executive departments writing laws that are the purview of the Legislative branch.

400 ft is a shot that could be made. In my case, I probably wouldn't shoot at anything that wasn't at 200' or less. Not going to mess with something in transit, either. I'm talking about the fundamental right to defend my property. If someone is hovering a drone over my property, it is my right to shoot it down if I can. The FAA doesn't supercede the Constitution.

Sometimes it's difficult to diagnose the intent. Especially in a crowded area. I take a lot of pics and videos for people during construction of new houses, etc. I might encroach on your property line unknowingly. If I do and you feel violated shoot my drone down. Then you and I can hash out the violation. My drone records it's flight path. Easy to determine. Even records my flight actions. The pic/video capture is also recorded.

All of this is stated not knowing your property size.

But I understand your defensive position. And I support it if a drone is "stalking" your property. Which I would never do.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Guys, I don't think my airspace extends indefinitely. The 400 ft that the FAA uses as a ceiling for drones seems about right. Not talking about shooting at manned aircraft. The "law' in this case is just a rule that the FAA made up. Like I said, i would be happy to be the test case to take it up the the court. They are not real keen on Executive departments writing laws that are the purview of the Legislative branch.

400 ft is a shot that could be made. In my case, I probably wouldn't shoot at anything that wasn't at 200' or less. Not going to mess with something in transit, either. I'm talking about the fundamental right to defend my property. If someone is hovering a drone over my property, it is my right to shoot it down if I can. The FAA doesn't supercede the Constitution.

The airspace thing says something like “to the heavens”. It really is yours. But in the US there is a public easement for aircraft. And you do have a right to privacy. So remote id laws were put in place so you can easily identify your stalker and find them with a phone app. I am def not a proponent of more laws but drones are so amazingly sophisticated there needs to be something governing the weirdo’s with drones.

 

[ovrszd]

The airspace thing says something like “to the heavens”. It really is yours. But in the US there is a public easement for aircraft. And you do have a right to privacy. So remote id laws were put in place so you can easily identify your stalker and find them with a phone app. I am def not a proponent of more laws but drones are so amazingly sophisticated there needs to be something governing the weirdo’s with drones.

I absolutely agree. That's why I couldn't believe the upgraded cameras on drones. I can spy on you in great detail and you'll never know I'm around. You can also buy aftermarket props that are 50% quieter than stock props......

 

[P0234]

I'm pretty sure today I have not been photographed. Never went to town. Only left the property and drove 6 miles one way thru the country to my Son's house and back. But you never know.

For the city dwellers, if they leave their house they are photographed. If money is made off that act or not I cannot declare. But the chances are very great.

I enjoy watching YouTube videos of street musicians. Some very amazing talent. During a single song, posted on YouTube generating advertising revenue, there might be 100 people in the background that unwillingly participated in the scenario. You believe each of them are entitled to a piece of the action?

The musician certainly deserves some of the video revenue if he is the subject of the video but not the "creator". Passers by, no.

 

[bdhsfz6]

I was in line at the bank last month and the woman in front of me pitched a screaming fit because I was standing too close to her. I was a good 4 feet away. It didn't matter that she was practically glued to the back of the guy in front of her.

It doesn't take much to set some nut jobs off.

 

[K5lwq]

I was in line at the bank last month and the woman in front of me pitched a screaming fit because I was standing too close to her. I was a good 4 feet away. It didn't matter that she was practically glued to the back of the guy in front of her.

It doesn't take much to set some nut jobs off.

You should have said, I am sorry, there is a spider on your back and it looks like a black widow but I was too far away to know for sure. Then she would have left the line and you could go ahead.

 

[MossRoad]

I was recently at the post office and noticed someone making a video of the place.

The reason I noticed is another customer was having a meltdown saying she does not consent to being filmed and was calling 911… yes really calling 911 for a person with a smart phone recording.

I just figure everyone everywhere in public is always being recorded with no expectation of privacy when out and about…

Can’t walk or drive down the street or be in a business or interact with law enforcement without being recorded it seems.…

Heck, when Doctors Lunches are delivered at work or transplant tissue arrives by courier they always capture the delivery and company ID of the person receiving…

From what I gather quietly recording in public isn’t a crime at least in California…

I use to show my cars at car shows and pictures even 40 years ago were expected… even found my car on front page of the local paper and had no idea until opening my morning paper…

Just curious if similar where other TBN members reside?

Having worked at the newspaper so long, it's prettty common knowledge that anyone can photograph or video record anything in any public space. Despite what people think about privacy, in a public space, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

One case in particular I'll share...
A local police officer was basically assassinated on a front porch. His killer went on trial (convicted). After one of the court proceedings, his widow was being escorted out of the courthouse by a group of police officers. One of our photographers photographed her. The officers asked him to stop, and he continued. Some of the officers took exception to photographing her and went after the photographer. He ran and they caught up with him, a scuffle ensued, and they permanently damaged one of his thumbs.

He sued and won damages.

Now. The point being, he had the legal right to photograph her in her time of grief, because she was in a public space. The law is pretty clear on that.

Now. Should he have photographed her in that state? Was he recording history, or antagonizing a widow? Should he have stopped once they asked him to? Or continued to document the entire story in pictures?

I don't want answers from anyone on those questions. That's up to you to decide for yourselves.

There have been numerous accounts of situations where one has to think about things like that.

 

[ultrarunner]

I wonder if the photos would have been discrete so no one knew at the time if that would have been an issue?

One thing is undeniable... can't go anywhere in the course of my day and not encounter dozens if not hundreds of cameras... from door bell motion to traffic to business big and small with governmental entities often being fully wired.

Yet, with all of the above a person with a cell phone recording in public is most likely to generate 911 calls.

 

[D&D]

There have been numerous accounts of situations where one has to think about things like that.

Personal feelings vs legal / illegal. Officers of the law are supposed to know the difference , often that’s not the case. The fall back position being they will let the judge decide. Would be nice if that burden wasn’t all on the taxpayers back.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Personal feelings vs legal / illegal. Officers of the law are supposed to know the difference , often that’s not the case. The fall back position being they will let the judge decide. Would be nice if that burden wasn’t all on the taxpayers back.

I think LEOs are in an impossible situation these days. It wasn’t that long ago when people respected and followed simple instructions. People were decent and didn’t want to escalate every encounter.

That isn’t the case now. Many people resist and fight back. LEOs are constantly questioned and publicly lynched for anything other than sitting there and taking verbal abuse from every person they encounter.

There are bad people in every occupation everywhere. So yes there are bad LEOs out there, but there is way more bad perps now then ever. Soon there won’t be any LEOs because who in there right mind would want that job. I refuse to help, pull over to help in an accident, pull someone out of the ditch. I won’t do it because people are bad, and I don’t want to be sued. So hats off to any person that wants to make a career of that…

Soon it will be easy since every citizen will have to take care of their own business. There will be no one to call no matter what taxpayers pay. Judges won’t really be needed since nothing will be against the law enough to end up in front of a judge.

 

[Eagle1]

Soon it will be easy since every citizen will have to take care of their own business. There will be no one to call no matter what taxpayers pay. Judges won’t really be needed since nothing will be against the law enough to end up in front of a judge.

How to reduce crime rate... ignore it and it does not count.

 

[D&D]

I think LEOs are in an impossible situation these days. It wasn’t that long ago when people respected and followed simple instructions. People were decent and didn’t want to escalate every encounter.

The court of public opinion does not do them any favors. (IMO)

 

[two_bit_score]

The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit recently issued an opinion in National Press Photographers Association v. McCraw, a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Texas’ drone privacy law. The Texas law was upheld.

This article has a link to the court‘s opinion:
https://agrilife.org/texasaglaw/2023/11/27/us-court-of-appeals-upholds-texas-drone-privacy-law/

 

[oosik]

A couple years ago I had a "larger than normal" drone come down/crashed in my western pasture. This is on the far west end of my property - half mile west of my house. Only knew about it because it came over my yard while I was outside. So - on my ATV and found it in the pasture. Copied down the specifics from the side and returned home to call LEO. There was a vehicle in my yard when I got home.

A couple military types waiting to talk to me. They were not snooping with this drone. It had been launched from Fairchild AFB. The air force base is a good 18 miles NE of my property. They had lost control of the drone and it went on its merry way until the batteries went kapuut. GPS located the drone in my pasture.

They were most happy to find it and that it hadn't had a bad experience with any of my big 'ol pine trees.

 

[tradosaurus]

There is no right to privation publicity but what you describe sounds like one of the “1st amendment auditors” that’s trending on YouTube. They basically just make a nuisance until they get arrested then complain that they were trying to exercise their 1st amendment rights or whatever. Highly annoying, just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should…and if you do you should still have some consideration of others.

Not all are for this purpose. It's to show the public that citizens have rights and to educated law enforcement.

 

[MoKelly]

A couple years ago I had a "larger than normal" drone come down/crashed in my western pasture. This is on the far west end of my property - half mile west of my house. Only knew about it because it came over my yard while I was outside. So - on my ATV and found it in the pasture. Copied down the specifics from the side and returned home to call LEO. There was a vehicle in my yard when I got home.

A couple military types waiting to talk to me. They were not snooping with this drone. It had been launched from Fairchild AFB. The air force base is a good 18 miles NE of my property. They had lost control of the drone and it went on its merry way until the batteries went kapuut. GPS located the drone in my pasture.

They were most happy to find it and that it hadn't had a bad experience with any of my big 'ol pine trees.

Very good story.

It amazes me the military can launch cruise missiles from ships a 1000 miles away and hit the target precisely. Yet, they can lose control of a drone?

I guess the cruise missile costs a few more dollars than a drone.

 

[ovrszd]

A couple years ago I had a "larger than normal" drone come down/crashed in my western pasture. This is on the far west end of my property - half mile west of my house. Only knew about it because it came over my yard while I was outside. So - on my ATV and found it in the pasture. Copied down the specifics from the side and returned home to call LEO. There was a vehicle in my yard when I got home.

A couple military types waiting to talk to me. They were not snooping with this drone. It had been launched from Fairchild AFB. The air force base is a good 18 miles NE of my property. They had lost control of the drone and it went on its merry way until the batteries went kapuut. GPS located the drone in my pasture.

They were most happy to find it and that it hadn't had a bad experience with any of my big 'ol pine trees.

I've never had that problem. But I don't push the envelope.

For some reason it "forgot" where "home" (launch location) was. It picked a direction and flew until the battery got low enough to force "critical land". If it had been over a pond it would have went swimming.

I'm sure they were also glad it hadn't caused a ruckus with your homestead or livestock.

If my drone loses contact with the controller it activates the go home mode. I have it programmed to go to an altitude of 100' above the launch location and then return. It tells me that it's doing so. I have a cancel button I can push if the drone is within site and I want to control it's return. I can also cancel critical land mode until the battery is within a few seconds of dead, then it lands regardless.

 

[ovrszd]

Very good story.

It amazes me the military can launch cruise missiles from ships a 1000 miles away and hit the target precisely. Yet, they can lose control of a drone?

I guess the cruise missile costs a few more dollars than a drone.

First military drone I saw was in Iraq 2004. Was a styrofoam fixed wing with a wingspan of about 6ft. Gas powered cox airplane engine. Carried a gopro style camera. 3 man crew. One running the drone off a laptop. Was only used for observation. They'd try to catch it upon return so it didn't crash and bust the styrofoam.

One time they were getting ready to launch it and I wanted to take some pics. Even though I outranked them, they politely asked me to not take pics. I obliged.

 

[stumblinhorse]

The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit recently issued an opinion in National Press Photographers Association v. McCraw, a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Texas’ drone privacy law. The Texas law was upheld.

This article has a link to the court‘s opinion:
https://agrilife.org/texasaglaw/2023/11/27/us-court-of-appeals-upholds-texas-drone-privacy-law/

I am not sure that differs from any state now. You can’t peeping Tom with a drone anywhere. Fly over is fine, just can’t take images. You can’t even fly over people now at all, “OOP” is against the rules.