Filling tires with ballast at home.

   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #51  
Yes. Better stability, obviously, but also a rougher ride with much less compressible air volume remaining in tire. All of these liquids are non-compressible, from the practical standpoint of tire pressures.
Also some sloshing will be noticeable when roading and stopping, also the acceleration of similar tractors with iron compared liquid filled is a bit slower with liquid fill.
I still prefer iron over liquid fill for many reasons.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #52  
Also some sloshing will be noticeable when roading and stopping, also the acceleration of similar tractors with iron compared liquid filled is a bit slower with liquid fill.
I still prefer iron over liquid fill for many reasons.
I had such doggy acceleration with one tractor I bought filled with liquid by previous owner, I removed it and installed cast.
Liquid changes the way the tractor runs in ways I didn’t like.

Cast iron is the way to go. It has no downside, except cost.

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   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #53  
Has anybody used SIERRA FULL STRENGTH ANTIFREEZE? It is propylene glycol and is animal and people safe…
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #54  
Has anybody used SIERRA FULL STRENGTH ANTIFREEZE? It is propylene glycol and is animal and people safe…
Should work great.. Probably would dilute it for cost though.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #55  
Here's another example of filling tires with liquid ballast at home. I wanted to do this at home mostly because taking the tractor (or even just the wheels) to a shop to have them fill them is expensive and time consuming. Spoiler alert - I was able to fill them at home in about 3 hrs which is less than my drive time to the closest tire dealer.

First was the selection of the ballast liquid. I considered three alternatives, all of which cost about the same $$/lb for the material:

- Beet juice, which I have in my other tractor. But it's just too messy, and I couldn't find a source to buy it for home installation. It's a little heavier per gal, so more total weight, but not enough to overcome the down sides.

- Windshield washer fluid: In small quantities, this is inexpensive ($1/gal),But buying 165 gal jugs is just not practical. In 55 gal drums the cost is more like $4 per gal, the same at beet juice or RV antifreeze. Also, windshield washer fluid is toxic, and I really want something that is non toxic. Weight is the same as water.

- RV antifreeze: Weight is the same as water, and it's non toxic, so this worked the best for me. I bought 3 55 gal drums from NAPA in a fall sale.

Next is the pump/transfer setup. I started with one of the readily available adapters to connect a garden hose to a tire valve. But after that I did things a bit differently. I didn't want to use the little push button valve on the adapter to bleed out air because some amount of liquid would also come out and make a mess. I also wanted to be able to monitor the pressure in the tire so I'd know when to stop pumping and let some air out. The result was this assembly of hose fittings. The branch and hose that goes to the tire adapter is also connected to the pressure gauge to monitor tire pressure. Then there are two hose connections with valves. One is liquid coming from the pump, and the other is a drain back to the drum. To fill, you close the drain valve and open the pump valve. Then after 10-15 minutes, close the pump valve and open the drain valve. That lets the air our of the tire, and any fluid pushed out just goes right back into the drum.


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This also allowed the connection to the tire to just be a single hose so there isn't a lot of weight hanging off the valve. It also moves all the controls for filling and bleeding to a comfortable location rather than crammed between the wheel and rear end of the tractor.

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For a suction pickup in the drum, I cobbled together a piece of copper tube and fittings to a hose that connects to the pump.

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Then it was just a matter of sitting around while running the pump, and pausing to occasionally bleed out the air.

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You also need to jack up the tractor to take the weight of the machine, then let all the air out of the tire. Then fill it, and top off with air to the final operating pressure. I put 82.5 gal in each tire, which is 680 lbs per wheel. Total time about 3 hrs.

Other than the tire valve adapter, I had all this stuff lying around, so my cost was just the cost of the antifreeze, and my time.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #56  
I filled the tires on my JD 401 with 17.5 x 24 backhoe style tires myself with used engine antifreeze. I got the antifreeze for no cost and was delivered free because the local repair shop would have had to pay to get rid of it. I filled a portable air tank with the liquid and then presurrized it with air and turned it upside down above the tires. It took a few hours per tire but was better than the local tire shop from using calcium brine which is very corrosive. I had new tires put on by a local tire shop and they can only fill them with calcium. A few months later I noticed the valve stems were wet so I tightened the valve cores but the problem got worse. To make a long story short, the brass valve cores in the Firestone tubes where being corroded by the salt content in the calcium brine. The Firestone rep admitted that they changed the supplier of the valve stem from a company in Brasil to one from China. The Chinese company cheapened the quality of the brass and they rotted from the salt content. Firestone did nothing to rectify the problem. I had to remove the wheels and take them back to the tire shop myself. They dismounted the tires and I took the wheels back home to scrub the salt corrosion from the wheeels and give them several coats of a good paint to prevent further rust. I then took the prepped wheels and tires back to the tire shop were they replaced the defective Firestone tubes with new ones. I then mounted them on my tractor and filled them with the used engine antifreeze. It is not corrosive or a mess like beet juice. It took about 50+ gallons per tire. Many thanks to Kantners Tire Service in Shoemakersville Pa. the extra work they did dismounting and remounting the tires on the wheels. I got no help from Firestone.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #57  
Just thinking. There wouldn't be any problem with two valve stems per wheel with tubeless tires. They could be spaced so one of them is at 6:00 for injecting liquid and the other where the liquid would spurt out when the tire is filled to the proper level. No stopping for the tire to fart.

Close the top one first, then rotate the tire to get the "fill" stem up, remove the fill hose and close it.
My Uncle taught me this trick about 65 years ago, although he just drilled a hole and threaded it, 180 degrees away from the stem, a couple of pipe fittings and he just pumped the fluid in the bottom and let the air out the top, put the valve core back in and rotated the tire took the hoses off and screwed in a pipe plug with sealer on it , worked well.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home. #58  
I recently replaced both rear tires and wheels ,on my 2010 GC 2610 because a hole rusted right through the rim. I noticed one tire was low and when I added air the liquid squirted out in a stream of about two feet. I had them loaded when new and assume they used calcium. The tires are the same as a BX Kubota and filling them with beet juice cost me $350.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home.
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#59  
Hope it works out for you. I never liked filling tires with liquid.
It works in terms of improving stability and traction, but it can be a real mess when the poop hits the fan.
I agree, and that's what drove me to use RV antifreeze. I had a valve stem busted off my a branch when I had calcium chloride in my tires, and that was a big mess. I was pretty far into the woods and drove out as fast as I could while the stuff sprayed out in a big circle and the tire became flatter and flatter. Thankfully I got to forest road where I could then get it on a trailer.

Repair and/or replacing tires requires pumping all the stuff out, the filling back up again, so a bunch of extra work and expense as well.
 
   / Filling tires with ballast at home.
  • Thread Starter
#60  
Has anybody used SIERRA FULL STRENGTH ANTIFREEZE? It is propylene glycol and is animal and people safe…
That looks like a good example of a propylene glycol solution. The only down side is cost at about $8/gal after dilution.
 

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