Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[TN8Man]

Here is another example of the war on oil and coal energy and the man-made energy crisis that is fueling the renewable energy scam. If this goes through consumer energy prices will rise and the grid will become even more unreliable.

EPA set to take on a major source of carbon pollution​

 

[Hay Dude]

The war on fossil fuels will cause many casualties.
Solar and wind farms are nice and should be pursued to the extent that they make sense. But to penalize fossil fuels this way makes us too reliant upon foreign countries, gives countries like China a big advantage over us, and makes Americans poorer.
We have 100’s of years of natural gas under us that can be burned cleanly & efficiently. More is being discovered every day. We have the best Nuke technology in the world and won’t use it.

To let this opportunity get away while other countries pollute the atmosphere is suicide.

 

[MossRoad]

Just a reminder that big oil isn't hurting...

Big Oil doubles profits in blockbuster 2022

Big Oil more than doubled its profits in 2022 to $219 billion, smashing previous records in a year of volatile energy prices where Russia's invasion of Ukraine reshaped global energy markets and, in some cases, the industry's climate ambitions.

www.reuters.com

Speaking of big gas...

Forget Oil; Natural Gas Is Fueling Record Profits for Energy Titans Exxon and Chevron | The Motley Fool

While higher oil prices have grabbed the headlines this year, natural gas was a big profit driver in the third quarter.

www.fool.com

 

[walhondingMF]

This is only anecdotal evidence but...

I referenced an interactive map earlier that showed energy production forms and locations. From the map, it's pretty evident that fossil fuel production is not hurting, it's just shifting. Natural gas and everything related to it is sky rocketing nationally. The country is doing what many here are suggesting by encouraging natural gas. More pipelines are being built and more wells are being drilled here in Southeastern Ohio. We just are not using "old fashioned" oil and coal anymore in the ways we used to.

In Ohio, the former speaker of the house is going to prison for taking a bribe to push legislation that would put costs to upgrade/ maintain old fossil fuel power plants and infrastructure on tax payers. It had nothing to do with alternatives, but entirely to do with the big corporations padding the wallets of their share holders rather than reinvesting in their company. Either way, AEP customers have been informed that energy prices are going to potentially go up 30% in the next year for upgrades they THEY chose to put off.

 

[MGP4506]

Some people have got together in one of our communities and are planning on installing a huge multi-acre solar farm on property adjacent to my daughter's and sister-in-law's property. They will be surrounded to the north and south of their properties and across the road. Their property value will go to nearly nothing.

Has anybody fought the installation of one of these?

Any ideas?

RSKY

See a lawyer and make sure there is a bond taken out for at least 2 times or more the current estimate for the demo of the solar farm. They have a life expectancy of 20 years at which time the company that owns them would most likely already file for bankruptcy and it would fall back to the landowner for the clean-up of the toxic materials that go into solar panels. If they can show a bond for the clean-up file an injunction. You can do this to both the landowner and the current owner of the solar field.

 

[Fixastuff]

Fake news. The article states:

Explicit subsidies accounted for only 8 percent of the total.

That's still a pretty large number.

 

[turbo36]

You can't be serious. Do you really think that article presents reality? Data based on the the International Monetary Fund? Do you even know what the International Monetary Fund is?

Yes, I am very serious and I know what the IMF is, do you? This article takes in account all of the damage that is done by the fossil fuel industry to our environment that does not get paid for by the fossil fuel producers. I'm not against fossil fuel, but I am against people that say that it doesn't get subsidized.

 

[turbo36]

Fake news. The article states:

Explicit subsidies accounted for only 8 percent of the total. The remaining 92 percent were implicit subsidies, which took the form of tax breaks or, to a much larger degree, health and environmental damages that were not priced into the cost of fossil fuels, according to the analysis.

In other words they count tax deductions for standard business expenses as subsidies. Then make up another huge number for "environmental damages."

It's only fake news if you want to deny that tax subsidies have been used for years to promote certain industries. Governing bodies have always picked the winners and losers in society. I totally understand tax deductions and their affect. I started and owned a few manufacturing companies, I've seen many changes in the tax laws over the years. One of things I never saw was a reduction of the subsidies at farmers get. Manufactures get squat compared to the tax breaks, and the outright subsidies that we pay our farmers.

 

[turbo36]

He’s not. And there’s no sense in taking him that way.
After the post made that windmills “smell like money”, I knew we were dealing with someone involved in the green energy business, or a big supporter, donor, etc.

I am a guy that started three manufacturing companies and sold them for a bunch of money. Unlike you I don't screw around on a big lawnmower, selling grass to self important horse people. My contributions to society were products that people actually need and use.

 

[turbo36]

He thinks he’s got all the info and we don’t know anything. lol

So far all I've seen you do is cut and paste articles that you haven't even taken the time to read!

 

[Grumpycat]

He thinks he’s got all the info and we don’t know anything. lol

I know 8% is in the range of a sales tax, and that even the article cited says 92% of their claim is made up.

Tax deductions are not targeted subsidies.

 

[Hay Dude]

So far all I've seen you do is cut and paste articles that you haven't even taken the time to read!

And what do you have? Nothing except your claim of wind ”smelling like money”.
You’re in the wind generation business or a big donor. Your claims are biased.

I did read them and there’s plenty there to show that the G________t is making fossil fuels more expensive to extract and combust into energy.

 

[WM75Guy]

I am a guy that started three manufacturing companies and sold them for a bunch of money. Unlike you I don't screw around on a big lawnmower, selling grass to self important horse people. My contributions to society were products that people actually need and use.

I am one of those self-important horse people that buys hay. Your contributions to this forum have earned you the status of #2 on my Ignore list. Fire away with your comments, I won't see them.

 

[Hay Dude]

I am a guy that started three manufacturing companies and sold them for a bunch of money. Unlike you I don't screw around on a big lawnmower, selling grass to self important horse people. My contributions to society were products that people actually need and use.

Whoa boy, I’m impressed! And I’m a 6’6” retired NFL star.
Like we all believe everything people write on the internet. lol

And before you start throwing rocks at what I do for a living, you might be reminded theres a lot of people on this website who use tractors and equipment to make a living or for a hobby. You aren’t going to be real popular making fun of that

 

[Hay Dude]

Yes, I am very serious and I know what the IMF is, do you? This article takes in account all of the damage that is done by the fossil fuel industry to our environment that does not get paid for by the fossil fuel producers. I'm not against fossil fuel, but I am against people that say that it doesn't get subsidized.

Does it mention all the damage done to the earth to produce solar panels, make the concrete to build the windmill foundations or mine the minerals for batteries?

I have NEVER seen anyone here say fossil fuels weren’t subsidized. They are
But they are also being penalized.
Green energy IS HEAVILY taxpayer subsidized.

 

[turbo36]

I know 8% is in the range of a sales tax, and that even the article cited says 92% of their claim is made up.

Tax deductions are not targeted subsidies.

Of course, tax deductions are targeted subsidies. We have a tax code that has two high of an initial rate so that in order to compete with the rest of the world, we have to offer tax deductions to bring our cost down compared to the rest of the world.. If we just had a simple tax code, we wouldn't have the government picking and choosing winners, and losers.

 

[turbo36]

Whoa boy, I’m impressed! And I’m a 6’6” retired NFL star.
Like we all believe everything people write on the internet. lol

And before you start throwing rocks at what I do for a living, you might be reminded theres a lot of people on this website who use tractors and equipment to make a living or for a hobby. You aren’t going to be real popular making fun of that

No, just making fun of you, you think you are the big time farm industry mogul and your opinions carry more weight than everyone else. You are nothing more than a large hobby farmer and you don't speak for the industry.
I am not on here to be popular. People can take me or leave me at their choosing, I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[turbo36]

I am one of those self-important horse people that buys hay. Your contributions to this forum have earned you the status of #2 on my Ignore list. Fire away with your comments, I won't see them.

Perfect!

 

[Hay Dude]

No, just making fun of you, you think you are the big time farm industry mogul and your opinions carry more weight than everyone else. You are nothing more than a large hobby farmer and you don't speak for the industry.
I am not on here to be popular. People can take me or leave me at their choosing, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Of course you are and insulting me and a bunch of other good hard working people here, too.
You have no idea how wrong you are. Insults of people who use tractors to make a living as in my case, or a hobby for others won’t get you far on a tractor website.
But keep going. It’s hilarious to watch.
There’s millionaires here who run tractors or other equipment and own beautiful homes and farms. My advice to you is quit running us down.

 

[crashz]

Personal insults aside, Turbo did bring up a good point. When an administration backs your only competitor, but that competitor has no market strength, what is going to happen? Prices go up. The fossil fuel industry needs to (as public companies) respond to that business threat. It makes sense, even though its only the consumer that gets hurt.