Dirt Moving FEL Lacking Power
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dex3361
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As do I. Do you also feel the FEL is weak on your l4400? I feel that way on mine.
I checked and adjusted the FEL pressures on my and my friends l4400HST Kubotas and here is a detailed link on the very easy process.
FEL Pressure Check
thavil
Platinum Member
KubotaNewb - To be honest, I can't say for sure but I would think they would. The male QD's on your L4400 should be the same size as they are on the BX series. The best person to answer would be Harry at BXPanded. Try him at this email address bxpanded@hotmail.com. I have emailed him many times and he always responds fast.
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BXpanded
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We try pretty hard to be responsive but once in a while we lose track of an email.
In answer, I think your LA703 loader uses a different connector than we keep on hand. The shims are the same. Unfortunately, we don't have detailed, illustrated instructions for the L series.
Sorry you didn't get a prompt reply, and also that I couldn't be more help.
Cheers,
Harry
General Lee
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Yea, I haven't got around to checking it yet. I mentioned it to my dealer and they said they would come out and check it out...........but wouldn't be bringing a pressure test gauge. I said don't worry about then, because that is what I'm requesting you to do.
dex3361
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I checked my FEL pressure and it was low and setting it to spec made a dramatic difference.
Boeing
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I have same questions with my L-3010. The loader is rated at 1058 lb. I have bolt on forks to lift pallets and such. Having no water on my land i bought water tanks to trailer to a nearby creek, fill and lift off the trailer with the tractor FEL.
Water weighs about 6lb. Per gallon, the tanks are large but plastic and cased in an aluminum cage...guessing 60 lb. The loader forks weigh about 50 lb,..
I put about half a tank of water...150 gal. roughly 900 lb, plus the tank and forks... I'm guessing right at 1000lb. and the FEL just hissed when I tried to pick it up.
I drained about 50 gal. out,, reducing the weight to approx 700 lb. HISS....i had to drain down to about 75 gal before it would ever so slowly lift the tank.
I also tried tilting the load UP...hiss.
Is the loader weak or are the forks projecting the weight too far out to lift much weight?
ideas???
thanks
Water weighs about 6lb. Per gallon, the tanks are large but plastic and cased in an aluminum cage...guessing 60 lb. The loader forks weigh about 50 lb,..
I put about half a tank of water...150 gal. roughly 900 lb, plus the tank and forks... I'm guessing right at 1000lb. and the FEL just hissed when I tried to pick it up.
I drained about 50 gal. out,, reducing the weight to approx 700 lb. HISS....i had to drain down to about 75 gal before it would ever so slowly lift the tank.
I also tried tilting the load UP...hiss.
Is the loader weak or are the forks projecting the weight too far out to lift much weight?
ideas???
thanks
General Lee
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When you say ''bolt on'' forks, do you mean clamp on forks that clamp to the FEL bucket? If so the weight is probably to far out. I thought water weighs 8lbs a gallon, I could be wrong. If so that would be 1200 lbs at 150 gal, plus add the weight of the bucket, forks and aluminum cage. You would be quite over weight.
TRR
Gold Member
Water is 8.345404 pounds per gallon. You are way overweight.
And the farther distance out from the bucket works against you as well.
And the farther distance out from the bucket works against you as well.
Boeing
Platinum Member
WOW, I had no idea that water was so much heavier than gas or diesel...6 and 7(ish).
Is there a larger bucket cylinder that would provide more lift or is that stressing too many other things?
Thanks
Is there a larger bucket cylinder that would provide more lift or is that stressing too many other things?
Thanks
Boeing
Platinum Member
WOW, I had no idea that water was so much heavier than gas or diesel...6 and 7(ish).
Gen. Lee asked if the forks are clamp on....Yes, and they probably weigh 50 lb EACH.
the BUCKET weight must not be counted against its limit as it weighs almost a thousand pounds itself.
Are there larger bucket cylinders that would provide more lift or is that stressing too many other things?
Thanks
Gen. Lee asked if the forks are clamp on....Yes, and they probably weigh 50 lb EACH.
the BUCKET weight must not be counted against its limit as it weighs almost a thousand pounds itself.
Are there larger bucket cylinders that would provide more lift or is that stressing too many other things?
Thanks
LD1
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Yep, way overweight plus the fact that the load is too far forward
Water, @ 8.34/gallon and 150 gallons is 1251lbs
Plus those plastic/caged tanks usually have a tare(empty) weight of 150ish
So you were trying to lift 1400lbs @ 24" forward of your cutting edge.:confused2:
Your 1050lb loader rating, is that @ the pins? if it is, you only have about 800lb lift at the bucket edge, and maybe ~600 on the forks.
So you have a few options:
1. Reduce the load to 600ish. That would be about 54 gallons.
2. Ditch the bucket and get pallet forks that go on in place of the bucket. This will move the load back closer to the pins, and probabally give you around a 900lb capacity. 90 gallons
3. Get a set of 3PH pallet forks. Your tractor has a 3000lb rear lift capacity. You could prpbabally lift a full tote this way.
I wouldnt go with bigger cylinders. The loader is probabally not designed for it as you suspect. Plus, larger cylinders mean more lift force, but proportionally slower as well. If you increase lift 40%, it will be 40% slower.
Water, @ 8.34/gallon and 150 gallons is 1251lbs
Plus those plastic/caged tanks usually have a tare(empty) weight of 150ish
So you were trying to lift 1400lbs @ 24" forward of your cutting edge.:confused2:
Your 1050lb loader rating, is that @ the pins? if it is, you only have about 800lb lift at the bucket edge, and maybe ~600 on the forks.
So you have a few options:
1. Reduce the load to 600ish. That would be about 54 gallons.
2. Ditch the bucket and get pallet forks that go on in place of the bucket. This will move the load back closer to the pins, and probabally give you around a 900lb capacity. 90 gallons
3. Get a set of 3PH pallet forks. Your tractor has a 3000lb rear lift capacity. You could prpbabally lift a full tote this way.
I wouldnt go with bigger cylinders. The loader is probabally not designed for it as you suspect. Plus, larger cylinders mean more lift force, but proportionally slower as well. If you increase lift 40%, it will be 40% slower.
ericher69
Veteran Member
Boeing
An imperial gallon 8.35lbs and metric 10lbs
So depending if your North or South of the border...
An imperial gallon 8.35lbs and metric 10lbs
So depending if your North or South of the border...
Boeing
Platinum Member
Thanks guys, I can't use 3pt forks, they will not go up to the level of my army surplus trailer to lift the water tanks off. I have clamp on forks so it would be another engineering feat to remove the bucket and figure out how to use forks....or buy more.
Guess, I'll just accept smaller gallon loads....
Thanks again.
(Fun is when you fuel a plane in liters, measure the load in pounds and pay in lire.......ah, the days of Pan Am.)
Guess, I'll just accept smaller gallon loads....
Thanks again.
(Fun is when you fuel a plane in liters, measure the load in pounds and pay in lire.......ah, the days of Pan Am.)
638
Platinum Member
Boeing
You have more than one tote, right? Why not fill a tote on your trailer and then pump or drain that filled tote into an empty tote on the ground rather than try to unload the totes off of the trailer. Makes more sense to me than hauling almost empty totes around.
Turbys_1700
Elite Member
Your tractor has a designed psi rating that ensures front axle integrity when lifting objects with your FEL...
Some folks increase the psi pressure of their tractor by shimming the pressure relief valve in their hydraulic systems...
The increased pressure will allow your FEL to pick up more...
You also run the risk of blown seals and possible front axle damage...
I personally would not do it...
My Stoll FC 350 is an excellent match for my little 1720 NH...
NH rates my front axle capacity at 930#...
My FEL is rated to pick up around 1240# at the pivot point at around 2400 psi...
With the tractor factory set at 2133#, I only have a psi capacity rating that will pick up 1091#...
That's close enough for government work...
I did add a real nice set of bucket forks several months ago and have been very pleased with the results...
The key in picking up items is to get the bucket under the item as much as possible and curl the bucket under the mass...
I realize that is not possible in all cases...
Boeing
Platinum Member
Thanks Turby....and the other suggestion about transferring from one tank to another is good to. I do have 3 tanks, with one filled tank on the trailer I could gravity feed a ground level tank, and never have to lift anything heavy. or at least drain down to a liftable weight.
Good ideas, BRAINTRUST.....:thumbsup:
Good ideas, BRAINTRUST.....:thumbsup:
