Ever Felt Threatened Enough That A Pistol Was Needed?

[two_bit_score]

I cannot give you a simple quote to back up my point. The subject fills chapters of books on the Pacific war and the summary I gave is the pretty well established consensus view. What I posted is essentially what the first paragraph of the Wikipedia entry on Pearl Harbor says too. It really is a pretty well established point whereas this stuff about the Japanese being afraid of armed citizenry is really just poppycock or self serving pseudo history by gun rights groups.

Link to wikipedia: Attack on Pearl Harbor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read your link and no where does it deny that the statement was made at some point. You don't like the idea that was expressed and you made a flat out emphatic denial that it had ever occurred. You can't back that up. There is more evidence that it was the sentiment than there is that it wasn't.

Not that it really matters a hill of beans. Other than politics you are OK.

 

[Redneck in training]

There is no way Japan would even consider to invade USA regardless of armed citizentry or not. They could invade Australia that was closer, less populated, harder to defend etc. Australia was much softer target but they didn't have the military might to even attempt it. They were able to bomb Darwin and Broome. That was about it.

 

[IslandTractor]

I read your link and no where does it deny that the statement was made at some point. You don't like the idea that was expressed and you made a flat out emphatic denial that it had ever occurred. You can't back that up. There is more evidence that it was the sentiment than there is that it wasn't.

Not that it really matters a hill of beans. Other than politics you are OK.

I have no idea whether or not a statement about citizens with guns was ever spoken by Yamamoto. It is well established that Yamamoto, who had studied at Harvard and traveled through the country, was strongly against war with the US. it was not the citizens with guns he feared, it was the factories and shipyards. My point is that "citizens with guns" was an almost irrelevant concern as invasion was not their goal and therefore armed civilian militias were unimportant. The Japanese wanted to control the Western Pacific and the US was interfering. All Japan wanted was to disable the US Navy's ability to enforce an embargo or blockade. They almost succeeded.

 

[MODiesel]

Another very nice .357 Magnum is the 7 shot Taurus Tracker.
This is a nice house gun with one caveat: It's ported...so it's loud!

This is my wife's choice for her nightstand weapon. Hers is the all-Titanium model, and she prefers the Gold Dot .38+P's. Small hands...easier to control the recoil. It's a very nice & light weapon, with a trigger that she favors. We have other Glocks, a Walther, and some AR's scattered around the house (no kids) so a weapon is never far from grasp. And she knows to find a rifle first, but the Taurus is a very proficient choice in a revolver.

Coming from the #1 meth-producing county in MO, we take take no chances. We've never had a situation where we needed a weapon but we have our CCW's nonetheless. Some training with a few vets at night, weak-hand, and in stress situations has really helped us to understand the limitations of even a high-powered weapon. I've come to believe that a lot of it comes down to how you react to the situation and control the stress/adrenaline. If you can't keep yours wits about you, no weapon will be of much use.

 

[two_bit_score]

I have no idea whether or not a statement about citizens with guns was ever spoken by Yamamoto. It is well established that Yamamoto, who had studied at Harvard and traveled through the country, was strongly against war with the US. it was not the citizens with guns he feared, it was the factories and shipyards. My point is that "citizens with guns" was an almost irrelevant concern as invasion was not their goal and therefore armed civilian militias were unimportant. The Japanese wanted to control the Western Pacific and the US was interfering. All Japan wanted was to disable the US Navy's ability to enforce an embargo or blockade. They almost succeeded.

oK. Coming from you, it's good enough for me.

 

[RoyJackson]

This is my wife's choice for her nightstand weapon. Hers is the all-Titanium model, and she prefers the Gold Dot .38+P's.

Mine is stainless as I was OK with the weight. Even the stainless gun is relatively light for a 4" barrelled .357 Mag revolver. Took a little while to get used to the "ribber" grips though.

 

[MODiesel]

Mine is stainless as I was OK with the weight. Even the stainless gun is relatively light for a 4" barrelled .357 Mag revolver. Took a littl while to get used to the "ribber" grips though.

My wife loves those "ribber" grips. We have the same ones on a SS Judge (handy gun around the property for snakes & such). I also thought they took a little getting used to, though. With a 4in barrel, it's an easy gun to shoot...and shoot well!

 

[mj007]

No, they did sucker punch us at PH but the idea that they did not invade was due to citizens behind every palm tree (not much grass in Honolulu) with a gun is crap. They did not bring an invasion fleet, they brought a strike force to destroy the US Navy......

YOUR opinion only since I have heard a Jap general of the time quoted as saying exactly the opposite; that that was PRECISELY the reason for them not to next invade the mainland ....... :confused2:

AND they DID invade and occupy some of the Aleutian Islands (Alaska) AND they DID launch balloons with explosive charges that reached the West Coast of the United States AND a Jap submarine DID surface and shell a U.S. military installation on California's coast.

....... Luckily they missed the carriers or their plan to knock us out of the Pacific war might have worked.

Nope, would not have happened.......the Japs, like so many other fanatical regimens simply bit off more than they could chew ....... they 'awakened the sleeping giant' when they poked the U.S., just as ****** did when he attacked the Russian bear.

 

[IslandTractor]

YOUR opinion only since I have heard a Jap general of the time quoted as saying exactly the opposite; that that was PRECISELY the reason for them not to next invade the mainland ....... :confused2:

AND they DID invade and occupy some of the Aleutian Islands (Alaska) AND they DID launch balloons with explosive charges that reached the West Coast of the United States AND a Jap submarine DID surface and shell a U.S. military installation on California's coast.

Nope, would not have happened.......the Japs, like so many other fanatical regimens simply bit off more than they could chew ....... they 'awakened the sleeping giant' when they poked the U.S., just as ****** did when he attacked the Russian bear.

I suggest you read one of the comprehensive histories of the Pacific War rather than the drivel posted on gun lover websites.

I don't care what one Japanese general said. Where was the invasion armada that accompanied the Japanese carriers that struck Pearl Harbor?

The "invasion" of the Aleutians was a diversionary attack as you would know if you read a history of WW2 or Pearl Harbor. The balloons with bombs were an attempt to create fires in the west and essentially futile payback attempts for what we were doing to Japanese cities. They were certainly not part of preparation for an invasion.

If the Japanese had destroyed even a few aircraft carriers in Pearl, it would have been almost impossible to have stopped their advances in 1942. Coral Sea would have been a clear Japanese win, they would have captured Port Moresby and Australia would have been endangered. Even more importantly, the Battle of Midway would never have happened so the Japanese would have had four more carriers to defeat the remains of the US Navy at that time.

No doubt, as Yamamoto himself argued strongly, the US would have been able to rebuild in a couple of years and retaliate. He is the one who spoke the famous sleeping giant quote. However their plan was to have consolidated their control of the western Pacific quickly before the US Navy could rebuild and force the US to accept peace on Japan's terms. Not saying that would have happened but that was the acknowledged Japanese strategy. They did not intend to have a land war with the US so as I stated earlier the notion that private citizens with guns deterred a Japanese assault on the US mainland is hogwash.

 

[mj007]

I suggest you read one of the comprehensive histories of the Pacific War rather than the drivel posted on gun lover websites.

I don't care what one Japanese general said. Where was the invasion armada that accompanied the Japanese carriers that struck Pearl Harbor?

The "invasion" of the Aleutians was a diversionary attack as you would know if you read a history of WW2 or Pearl Harbor. The balloons with bombs were an attempt to create fires in the west and essentially futile payback attempts for what we were doing to Japanese cities. They were certainly not part of preparation for an invasion.

If the Japanese had destroyed even a few aircraft carriers in Pearl, it would have been almost impossible to have stopped their advances in 1942. Coral Sea would have been a clear Japanese win, they would have captured Port Moresby and Australia would have been endangered. Even more importantly, the Battle of Midway would never have happened so the Japanese would have had four more carriers to defeat the remains of the US Navy at that time.

No doubt, as Yamamoto himself argued strongly, the US would have been able to rebuild in a couple of years and retaliate. He is the one who spoke the famous sleeping giant quote. However their plan was to have consolidated their control of the western Pacific quickly before the US Navy could rebuild and force the US to accept peace on Japan's terms. Not saying that would have happened but that was the acknowledged Japanese strategy. They did not intend to have a land war with the US so as I stated earlier the notion that private citizens with guns deterred a Japanese assault on the US mainland is hogwash.

OK - you have your belief and I have mine ....... that is exactly why I will not own a Jap tractor ....... Japan couldn't whip us by military might so it is taking our country by economic capitulation ....... Japan, Inc. is appealing to the average American's gullibility through Madison Avenue B.S. and selling us Toyotas, Subarus, Nissans, etc. and continually tightening their economic stranglehold on our economy ..... daily. Sure, they (Jap car companies) have manufacturing plants on U.S. soil and are 'providing jobs for Americans' BUT the profits go west to the 'Rising Sun' ...... If you are a Packers fan are you going to buy Vikings stuff from their website?