Equipment King Inc.

[Paul_Diaz]

If I were buying a used "as is" tractor, I would inspect it with a fine tooth comb. However a factory reconditioned tractor I would expect to be in full working order or at least close. I received my first tractor from Equipment King Inc a, Mitsubishi MT21D in June. It fell apart within less than an hour. Several cotter pins were missing from the mower and it almost came loose, also the temp and fuel gauges were not hooked up. I repaired myself to keep working. Then later in week the rear end got stuck in 3rd gear. I called they said keep using till I could bring it in. End of week rear end locked up all together and the front end was barley working; useless tractor. I, at my own expense returned the tractor, said I wanted a different one. They got me a Yanmar FX24D, when they delivered it; it seemed much better than the first and worked pretty well for a week. However, no headlamps, blinkers also bad, low on dirty oil, rusty water in radiator, leaky front differential, Bad tube in flat tire, several lose or missing nuts and bolts, Water temp gauge not hooked up, loose stripped treads on linkage to mower, melted and exposed wiring near voltage regulator " Caused by their technician hooking the ground for the electrical system to the radiator that is floated on rubber and can not ground properly", and more. They picked up and agreed to fix. Twice i have made the 120-mile trip to inspect at their request and both times still problems. They agreed to have it to me on Sat. no show, then after calling them, they said 1st thing Monday or your money back, no show again. After calling they said they would let me know Tues. When I asked for my money back on Tues. afternoon they refused as soon as they knew I was on my way to get it and had asked for confirmation that a check was waiting for me. They do not seem to be able to keep their commitment. They do have nice paint jobs.They said in their AD "Extensive process of reconditioning" &"Quality control technicians inspect the tractor for any problems" I find this hard to believe. Please help this from happening to anyone else.

 

[Tractors4u]

"Factory Reconditioning" is something that isn't happening PERIOD. The Mitsubishi factory nor the Yanmar factory is reconditioning tractors. Most are brought in and reconditioned to whatever level or standard that the importer wants to recondition them to. For some reconditioning is getting the tractor to start, for some it is giving the tractor a nice paint job, including painting the old oil filter. For some changing the oil, fluids, and filters, changing bearings and seals and fixing any problems found. There are some that claim that they completely tear the engines down and inspect for problems and then a complete repaint. Do they? Only they know for sure. In any case a thorough test drive is necessary. Not just a 5 minute drive around the parking lot but a 30 minute run with a piece of PTO driven equipment running. Shift ever lever, try every gear. Flip every switch and turn every knob.

 

[yanman]

Do me once, shame on you , do me twice, shame on me. Very old saying, (I cleaned it up a little, but you get the gest) still applies today. Dont condem the tractor maker for the misrepresentation by the seller. Next time,if there is a next time, do some homework first. There are many good posts on this site that will help you learn what to look for in a used or so called "rebuilt tractor".
Sorry for your bad luck, hope things work out for you.

Yanman

 

[pennwalk]

Some people have had luck filing a complaint with the local Better Business Bureau. Sometimes it will make them give you your money back.

Chris

 

[buppy69]

Your state attorney general can put a move on them, too.

Eugene

 

[Inspector507]

Hmmmm.........seems to me I spent 3 hours looking at my Yanmar before I bought it. Not a single surprise when I got it home. Besides, I spent the better part of 6 months doing research first.

 

[jmf7112001]

I must first explain my postion on used equipment. I retired 6 years ago. My title was Machinery Sales Coordinator. My responsibility was to find new machines and used machines for my sales people to sale. We had 12 to 15 sales people at any given time. And done 5 to 6 million dollars in sales. One of the thing I tried to teach sales people was good communication on used equipment. So we developed a scale to go by. Maybe if the Grey market people would develoe such scale, there would be less miss understanding. First Classisfaction , There is no such thing as REBUILT used equipment. To rebuild equipment it means disassembly and restore to orginial specification. There is no way a resaler can spend this kind of money and stay in business. Second Classifaction: Reconditioned: This means everything is working and in excellant shape. Very few pieces of euipment today are reconditioned. Third Classifaction is REWORKED: Thats means we have checked it out and to best of our knowledge everthing is working. Now it might not be working like new, but working. Fourth: AS IS: Thats means what you see is what you get. I hate to sell a piece of equipment "AS IS", because it always comes back, with the statement "Will you fix this one thing". I buy and sell Yanmar tractor and I guess you would call me Half%$##. I have a place on main street that I rent and I keep implements in my yard. I've bought tractors from several different sources. I've about learned what to expect. I'm pretty picky about what I sell. Every Tractor I sell I test myself and drive for several hours. I represent to my customer as in "Good Working Shape to the best of my knowledge". Customer satisfication is the greatest thing we resaler has got going. I expect to fix some things when I get one home. Because my standards and some of the importers standards are different. I not saying wrong, but different. But I need these guys to stay in business. I have bought several tractor from Equipment King and they are lots better than I get from some of the other sources. Sounds to me like there is breakdown of communication. Why don't you go up there and check out one before you bring it home and make sure it meets you standards. Not wait till you get it home.

Joe Foster
Tractor Man
Lincoln, Al
joefoster@pell.net

 

[stnickstoys]

Well said Joe. His experience is very unfortunate and makes grey market tractors and dealers look bad. However, he must take responsibility for what he buys by thoroughly inspecting the tractor, trying out all of its features, and asking many, many questions. I always allow my customers to try out the tractor and I point out any flaws I am aware of that I haven't yet fixed. Saves headaches in the long run. I too am fussier than some sellers. I fix lights, horns, accessories, change engine, trans, hydraulic oils and filters, change anti-freeze (a must here in Wisconsin!!) and try to prep the tractor for sale as best as I can.
Check out my website for my latest load of Iseki Tractors
Nick

 

[Inspector507]

Another mis-informed Yanmar seller.
<font color=blue>...YANMAR YM2000 TRACTOR!
LIVE PTO!
3 PT. HITCH!
20 HORSE POWER!
DIESEL!
212 HOURS!
TIRES ARE GOOD!
RUNS GREAT!
WOODS RM59 4 FT. MOWER - NICE!
LOW RESERVE!
</font color=blue>

Notice the LIVE PTO reference

 

[Soundguy]

Seems like the 20hp thing is a bit off isn't it? Aren't the 2000's higher?

Soundguy

<font color=red>Another mis-informed Yanmar seller.
...YANMAR YM2000 TRACTOR!
LIVE PTO!
3 PT. HITCH!
20 HORSE POWER!
DIESEL!
212 HOURS!
TIRES ARE GOOD!
RUNS GREAT!
WOODS RM59 4 FT. MOWER - NICE!
LOW RESERVE!


Notice the LIVE PTO reference

 

[Inspector507]

I think the PTO hp may be around 20

 

[gbirky]

The Woods RM59 is a 5' finish mower.

Greg

 

[Tractors4u]

I did the "Ask Seller a Question" option and asked the seller how this Yanmar had live PTO and none of the other did and they gave me know answer.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

It's basically the same tractor as a US 240 Yanmar which is 24 H.P. Everybody has a different idea of live PTO. He may just be misinformed. Jap yanmars use German H.P ratings. Roughly it's 20 X 1.2 = 24 American H.P.
BTI

 

[Tractors4u]

I regularly list tractors on Ebay so I watch many on there also. Every grey this guy lists he claims has live PTO. I can understand the private seller making a mistake, but this guy is an equipment dealer, he should know better.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

OK.....I have to show my ignorance. What is a "Live PTO" and what kind of PTO does my 1500D have?

 

[Tractors4u]

It depends on the tractor as to what type of PTO you have. On some tractors they have a live PTO by being equipped with a 2 stage clutch. Imagine you are tractoring along with the PTO engaged. You press the clutch half way in and the tractor comes to a stop but the PTO is still turning. Press the clutch all the way in and the PTO stops. Some tractors have live independent with out even having a clutch. I had a John Deere 855 that had a lever on the dash board that engaged the clutch. The tractor was hydrostatic and did not have a clutch. The YM1500D does not have a live PTO. My gripe about people selling these tractors as live PTO machines is the safety hazard of those comments. Lets imagine you are bush hoging with your YM1500D and you come upon a ditch, you press the clutch. What happens? You may drive right off into the ditch!!! The PTO on your tractor is connected to the rear axle of your tractor and even though you have clutched the tractor therefore disengaging the engine from the transmission, the bushhog with all it's momentum is still spinning, and spinning it's drive shaft which is connected to the PTO with is connected to the axle which is turning the wheels that are headed for the ditch! There is a simple fix for this and it is called an over run coupler, it is a handy little device tha goes between the PTO shaft and the drive shaft of the bush hog. The bush hog is really the only implement that needs the over run because of the momentum that it carries when that blade gets up to speed. Sorry to be so long, but I hope it clears things up.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Thanks Brent. No need to apologize for the length; that was an excellent dissertation.

 

[buppy69]

It's funny how none of these dealers that misrepresent (whether intentional or accidental) never answer the posts on here to defend their actions or explain themselves. I guess that makes the rest of us here...........honest!

Eugene

 

[Ozarker]

That whole "live PTO" thing just confuses me.

I don't have a brush hog but I do have a 1500D and the PTO can't possibly be attached to the rear axles. I can run the PTO with the transmission in neutral and the tractor standing still. If the PTO was attached to the rear axle, it wouldn't turn unless the rear wheels were also turning.

Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?