EcoBoost engine defective?

[two_bit_score]

Have you ever looked at the NHTSA "Complaints" section for any car? I would not put ANY faith in 75% of the complaints as they are mostly hearsay at best...

Aaron Z

Have it your way. I've been on both sides of large claims/lawsuits like the Explorer rollovers with Firestone tires, f150 fire problems, etc, etc. I understand it much better than you probably think.

Toyota could have done themselves a big wad of good if they had acknowledged their unintentional acc problems early and Ford could too, now. But they probably won't. And that keeps a lot of people like me off food stamps.

Thank goodness for corporate types who think like you.

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[fordmantpw]

Ford has already fixed the issue (it has to do with the CAC for the intercooler), and there is a TSB out there for it. Anyone with the problem can take it to their dealer and have it fixed, free of charge. Now, tell me again why we need to sue Ford over the issue? I absolutely cannot stand greedy, sue-happy people and their lawyers! Nobody has been hurt, so just get the problem fixed and move on with your life already!

Again, 100 complaints out of 100s of thousands of vehicles sold is not a big problem. Is it an issue that needed fixed? Sure! Does it justify a "BIG" lawsuit? Hardly!

Oh, and this isn't corporate thinking, this is common freaking sense!

 

[aczlan]

Have it your way. I've been on both sides of large claims/lawsuits like the Explorer rollovers with Firestone tires, f150 fire problems, etc, etc. I understand it much better than you probably think.
Toyota could have done themselves a big wad of good if they had acknowledged their unintentional acc problems early and Ford could too, now. But they probably won't. And that keeps a lot of people like me off food stamps.
Thank goodness for corporate types who think like you.

So, when someone reports to the following to the NHTSA should the MFG need to issue a recall right away when the "reporting owner" has no real info (No VIN, no real info to work off of), several TSBs have been issued for the problem (TSB 13-3-3) and they have been working on the problem since at least Dec of last year (per New TSB for the CAC on the Ecoboost confirmed!!! - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums):

Date Complaint Filed: 05/15/2013
Component(s): ENGINE
Date of Incident: 05/08/2013
NHTSA ID Number: 10512225
Manufacturer: Ford Motor Company
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): Not Available
SUMMARY:
WHILE ATTEMPTING TO PASS ANOTHER VEHICLE I TRIED TO ACCELERATE TO GET UP ENOUGH SPEED. THE VEHICLE STARTED SHUDDERING VIOLENTLY AND LOST ALL POWER, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN HIGHWAY SPEEDS FOR A FEW MINUTES. FOR THE NEXT FEW MINUTES ANY ATTEMPT AT ACCELERATION RESULTED IN MORE SHUDDERING FROM THE ENGINE. THIS ALSO HAPPENED A FEW MONTHS BEFORE AT THE EXACT SAME POINT ON THE HIGHWAY. I HAVE THE ECOBOOST ENGINE IN MY VEHICLE.

Or

Date Complaint Filed: 05/15/2013
Component(s): ENGINE
Date of Incident: 02/01/2013
NHTSA ID Number: 10512178
Manufacturer: Ford Motor Company
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): Not Available
SUMMARY:
FORD'S ECOBOOST ENGINE V6 3.5L CUT POWER WHEN ATTEMPTING TO MERGE ON TO HIGHWAY AT 55MPH. SEVERE ENGINE VIBRATIONS ENSUED. VERY DANGEROUS ISSUE IF THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC BEHIND PERSON DRIVING. TRUCK STILL HAS LESS THAN 15K MILES, HAS BEEN IN THE SHOP 2X ALREADY IN ATTEMPTS TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE, AND STILL HAS PROBLEM.

Aaron Z

 

[two_bit_score]

Like I saiid, Aaron. Have it your way. You and I are not parties to the lawsuit and really have no dog in the fight, at least as far as I know. It's informational as far as I am concerned. It's a story that's out there and is potentially interesting to others who may own those type vehicles and may have experienced problems with them. If people can't get what they consider a fair resolution to their complaint they should be able to resolve it in court if necessary. People should not just suffer with bad products and services they have paid hard earned money for just because you may be willing to accept them.

 

[two_bit_score]

Ford has already fixed the issue (it has to do with the CAC for the intercooler), and there is a TSB out there for it. Anyone with the problem can take it to their dealer and have it fixed, free of charge. Now, tell me again why we need to sue Ford over the issue? I absolutely cannot stand greedy, sue-happy people and their lawyers! Nobody has been hurt, so just get the problem fixed and move on with your life already!

Again, 100 complaints out of 100s of thousands of vehicles sold is not a big problem. Is it an issue that needed fixed? Sure! Does it justify a "BIG" lawsuit? Hardly!

Oh, and this isn't corporate thinking, this is common freaking sense!

If Ford has truly fixed the issue that's great. If you don't have an issue you don't need to sue Ford.

The people in the lawsuit evidently were not able to reach an amicable resolution so they had to resort to litigation.

You sure seem to think everyone who is forced to litigate their dispute is "greedy and sue-happy". Where does all that displaced anger come from with you? If you don't have a problem with your truck then dismiss it as something that doesnt apply to you and move on. Are you bitter?

 

[fordmantpw]

If Ford has truly fixed the issue that's great. If you don't have an issue you don't need to sue Ford.

The people in the lawsuit evidently were not able to reach an amicable resolution so they had to resort to litigation.

You sure seem to think everyone who is forced to litigate their dispute is "greedy and sue-happy". Where does all that displaced anger come from with you? If you don't have a problem with your truck then dismiss it as something that doesnt apply to you and move on. Are you bitter?

Not everyone that needs to sue is sue-happy, I get that. But in today's world, it's extremely tough to tell the difference. Folks sue at the drop of the hat, and it's getting ridiculous! Millions for spilling a cup of hot coffee? I broke into your house and you hit me with a baseball bat, now pay my medical bills?

Yes, I understand some folks have issue with their vehicles, and yes, it sucks when you do. That's what the lemon law is for. Neither of us knows the circumstances of any of these cases. I tend to be a bit more skeptical and guess they haven't gone through the proper channels to get things resolved. Some of that is my past experience with Ford products. When I've had issues, they have stood behind it and made sure it was fixed. Case in point, my '99 F150 had a warped head from the factory. The head gasket was replaced twice, then the third time the problem was found to be a warped head. It was out of the warranty period, but Ford fixed it anyway. Another part of that is that there are too many people that feel if something isn't 100% perfect, then whomever sold it to me should pay! Well, anything made by man will NOT be perfect. Sometimes life throws you lemons, make lemonade.

Am I bitter? No, I'm just tired of the sue-happy world we live in. Displaced anger? I've got none, I'm a happy person, but when someone points out a small lawsuit and states "big lawsuit" and "bad news for Ford", it's a bit ridiculous, and I feel I should call it out when I see it. I'm not sure where you sense I have anger...maybe the exclamation marks I used to try to get my point across? I'm sure Ford, GM, Chrysler, Pepsi, Coke, etc. get sued many more times than we could ever imagine. I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

If I am completely wrong about these suits, and the plaintiffs have gone through the proper channels and exhausted all means to get the problem rectified through Ford and the lawsuit is truly a last resort, I would be more than happy to apologize to them in person.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I'm going to sue Coors Light for allowing me and my misses getting pregnant. It has to be their fault on that long Columbus Day weekend. Guess I should also include both our employer's since they gave us the day off.

Chris

 

[fordmantpw]

I'm going to sue Coors Light for allowing me and my misses getting pregnant. It has to be their fault on that long Columbus Day weekend. Guess I should also include both our employer's since they gave us the day off.

Chris

:laughing: :drink:

 

[two_bit_score]

Not everyone that needs to sue is sue-happy, I get that. But in today's world, it's extremely tough to tell the difference. Folks sue at the drop of the hat, and it's getting ridiculous! Millions for spilling a cup of hot coffee? I broke into your house and you hit me with a baseball bat, now pay my medical bills?

Yes, I understand some folks have issue with their vehicles, and yes, it sucks when you do. That's what the lemon law is for. Neither of us knows the circumstances of any of these cases. I tend to be a bit more skeptical and guess they haven't gone through the proper channels to get things resolved. Some of that is my past experience with Ford products. When I've had issues, they have stood behind it and made sure it was fixed. Case in point, my '99 F150 had a warped head from the factory. The head gasket was replaced twice, then the third time the problem was found to be a warped head. It was out of the warranty period, but Ford fixed it anyway. Another part of that is that there are too many people that feel if something isn't 100% perfect, then whomever sold it to me should pay! Well, anything made by man will NOT be perfect. Sometimes life throws you lemons, make lemonade.

Am I bitter? No, I'm just tired of the sue-happy world we live in. Displaced anger? I've got none, I'm a happy person, but when someone points out a small lawsuit and states "big lawsuit" and "bad news for Ford", it's a bit ridiculous, and I feel I should call it out when I see it. I'm not sure where you sense I have anger...maybe the exclamation marks I used to try to get my point across? I'm sure Ford, GM, Chrysler, Pepsi, Coke, etc. get sued many more times than we could ever imagine. I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

If I am completely wrong about these suits, and the plaintiffs have gone through the proper channels and exhausted all means to get the problem rectified through Ford and the lawsuit is truly a last resort, I would be more than happy to apologize to them in person.

There is a delicate balance, believe it or not, regarding litigation. I've been in it and around it on both sides for a very, very long time. Long enough to see the pendulum swing from one extreme to the other. While you may be partially right about the coffee incident it's too often overlooked that a jury awarded those damages and both sides in the case were represented by very competent lawyers. Tort laws have changed significantly and in some cases for the better since then. However, everyone should be cautious about giving up rights to litigate disputes too quickly because sometime in the future you may need to exercise those rights.

 

[fordmantpw]

There is a delicate balance, believe it or not, regarding litigation. I've been in it and around it on both sides for a very, very long time. Long enough to see the pendulum swing from one extreme to the other. While you may be partially right about the coffee incident it's too often overlooked that a jury awarded those damages and both sides in the case were represented by very competent lawyers. Tort laws have changed significantly and in some cases for the better since then. However, everyone should be cautious about giving up rights to litigate disputes too quickly because sometime in the future you may need to exercise those rights.

I hear ya. And those of us that aren't around it day in and day out only hear what the media wants to sensationalize.