drain pipe installation

[wade simpson]

This Sat evening I finally had enough rain to find the low spot in a section of my road. This area has p***ed me off for a few years now as one of a few spots that gets very soft in the rain. I've used the tractor to add about 6-7 inches of dirt and used my blade to make a ditch. An unfortunate side effect is that the new dirt hasn't compacted enough and becomes pancake batter in a heavy rain.
I used the rear blade to scrape off the loose stuff and then started digging by hand. After a few inches I hit the compacted layer and the fun was over. I forgot my pickaxe so made do.
The pics show the pipe in and aftermath. I nearly got my truck stuck going thru that stuff this morning..how I miss a 4x4 sometimes. The tractor was a champ tho, doesn't mind the mud at all.

 

[rekees4300]

Have you considered putting gravel on the road?

 

[wade simpson]

Oh yeah. I wanted to get this drain in first and i just finished the ditch last weekend. I will getting rock thruout the summer. Delivery is expensive as I'm a fair ways from any quarry. Last year I got 4 tons for a total of 128.00. I will need much more than that.

 

[wdchyd]

Yeoooow,

Now that's some serious mud!!!!

 

[Duffster]

That is some expensive rock!

 

[Willl]

At that price for rock, surely justifies for a dump trailer. :thumbsup:

 

[lilranch2001]

crushed limestone is 7 bucks a ton here, delivered

 

[CurlyDave]

That is astonishing for 4 tons of rock.

How much per ton in a larger truck? We usually get 10 yards in the truck and 10 in the trailer for 20 yards per trip. I bet the per-trip fee is only a little more for a real truck than for a 4-ton dumper.

 

[wade simpson]

I'm guessing the price won't be too much more for a larger truck (maybe 50.00). The problem is that the company is around 40 miles from me. I was looking for something closer but haven't found one yet. The plan is to spread the expense over the summer.

The rock is only 10.00 a ton.

Willl I would have to buy a bigger truck to haul it

 

[CowwFace]

This Sat evening I finally had enough rain to find the low spot in a section of my road. This area has p***ed me off for a few years now as one of a few spots that gets very soft in the rain. I've used the tractor to add about 6-7 inches of dirt and used my blade to make a ditch. An unfortunate side effect is that the new dirt hasn't compacted enough and becomes pancake batter in a heavy rain.
I used the rear blade to scrape off the loose stuff and then started digging by hand. After a few inches I hit the compacted layer and the fun was over. I forgot my pickaxe so made do.
The pics show the pipe in and aftermath. I nearly got my truck stuck going thru that stuff this morning..how I miss a 4x4 sometimes. The tractor was a champ tho, doesn't mind the mud at all.

Hey Wade,

I'm certanily no drainage expert..and I'm sure the pic's don't do the site full justice.. but even with the pipe there .. where is the water going to go? Does the ditch on the right side of the pic' drain this water away? Possibly a 2nd ditch perpendicular to the road running to your neighbors yard would do the trick?

I know I know.. there is always a critic in the wood work!

Phill

 

[JonKioti]

I think you need a back hoe.

Rock is a funny thing - always where you don't want it, never around when you do.

Good luck!

Jon

 

[wade simpson]

That is the low side of the road and there is a sort of basin I dug there with an outlet that lets the water flow out into the woods and ultimately into the ditch on the main road. In the pic, you can see part of it just in front of the tree. I actually did a lot of research on dirt road building, maintenance, and drainage just before I got the tractor.
Funny story...when i first bought the land the retailer made a mistake and showed me the one next to it, uphill from it. I spent a summer making a road on that land, by hand tools and chainsaw. When I just about had it done I got a very panicky call from her saying I was on the wrong lot.
In the course of making that road I had put in a few drainage ditches that drain onto the propety I now have. I created my own problem !!
The new properties road was made by excavator (smile).

 

[wade simpson]

I think you need a back hoe.

Rock is a funny thing - always where you don't want it, never around when you do.

I definitely think about a backhoe when I have to get off the tractor to fill the bucket with a shovel. Hopefully this summer will be the end of this sort of work.
An old fella told me that 60 yrs ago all my land was a farm . I find random piles of rock all over it. It must have been a pain to farm because it is so rocky. If you look in the pics you can the rocks I throw to the side all the way up the road. I figure I'll use them somewhere.
After building 2 roads and cabin by myself I have a deep appreciation of the pioneers who did much more with no power tools and a lot more pressure. After chainsawing for 8 hrs I was beat. They did it with axes, day after day, and had to get their own food. Simply inspiring to me.

 

[Steve_Miller]

Wade,
There is a guy just up the road from you with a dump truck and a gravel pit close by, not sure what he would charge but worth asking. I don't know if he screens or not or what he charges, his name is Donnie Matheson (he drives a black Kenworth, fairly new) and he lives in Denmark about 3 or four miles from the East Earltown Rd. intersection on the right and his pit is back the other way about 3 or 4 miles. If you know where the goat cheese place is, his pit is just before that on the opposite side of the road with a gate across the entrance. There is also another pit just across the road from him as well but I don't know who it belongs to but it looks like they have a screen setup in behind that old abandoned house. Also, as I'm assuming that you've noticed that (I'm assuming) they are going to pave the Denmark road if you go by the stakes all along the road in the past three weeks. I'll guess and say that there is a pit close by that they will use to build the shoulders up when they're done paving. Speaking of that, about a mile in the Denmark road have you ever gone down into the pit on the right (heading north) that you can see from the road, not sure if iis active anymore, being nosey may pay off some day.

Steve

 

[Willl]

Willl I would have to buy a bigger truck to haul it

You say that like it's a 'bad' thing.

 

[wade simpson]

Geez, I will see if I can find Donnie Matheson. I'll ask the people who live on McBains cnr. Denmark is very close to where I am (I think). We drove around one day looking for Brule and Denmark. Never did actually see a sign or anything, must have been looking in the wrong place.. I'm at the other end of east earltown rd from McBains corner. . I've seen 2 large pits on the 311 and one on the 326.
My girlfriend remembers seeing the goat cheese place near Denmark (I don't). We went home thru Pictou and Sheet hbr Sunday and I did notice stakes along the 326.

Man, Thanks a bunch. If you're ever up that way stop in and have a beer or rum (weather dependant).

 

[wade simpson]

You say that like it's a 'bad' thing.

:laughing:I found myself going thru the trailer section of Kijiji today. Even before the tractor I would occasionally look at the single axle dump trucks for sale and think "I could use that". It's crazy !!

 

[Gittyup]

I had a similar spot on the road I just finished. I contoured the road, crowning it and ditching so the water flowed to the pipe inlet. At the inlet, I dug a basin in front of the pipe to catch the water. Then I covered the inlet of the pipe with a heavy plastic milk crate, and filled the basin with stone. I put baseball size stone in the bottom and clean 57's on top. So far it's working great and i can drive right on top of the stone-filled basin. However, it will only take on so much water. But, in my case it's more than adequate for the run off.

You definitely need to find a good source for stone. My little road is only 300 feet long, and it took 160 tons of stone.

Based on all that soft mud, I highly recommend geotextile before stoning. Else, your stone will disappear into the mud pretty quickly. I used geotextile. While it's hard to get saturated ground around here right now we, during several days of steady rain intermixed with downpours, I have no standing water anywhere. The water just seems to disappear into the road while it stays good and hard. The drain pipe is working good too. We'll see how it goes when late winter saturation sets in next year. But, I'm pretty confident that with the crowning and geotextile, it'll hold up very well.

 

[wade simpson]

I read about the geotextiles. I think I may see where I can get it and how much it costs. The mud in the pic is a result of new dirt I put down recently. It didn't have time to compact. Nonetheless, I will look into the textile because in the spring this area will get soft.

Steve miller has put me onto a source nearby so with a little luck I'll be OK in that area. If that works out I'll put down a layer about a foot thick in that area and one other that is problematic.

 

[JonKioti]

Is that beer offer open to any other Kioti owners?

Some of us have been known to travel down to PA from eastern Canada to go to Rick's BBQ; you never know when I might be passing by someone and notice their orange tractor....

Jon