DK35 Dead - Won't Start

[k0ua]

also was it left turn signal or right turn signal actuated?

Here is an easier test.. battery connected key to on position.. push the horn button.. does the horn blow as expected?

 

[WhatIsChazaq]

I centered the turn signal switch to no effect, and it was the left signal. It did not stop blinking until I tried to turn it over and everything died.

 

[WhatIsChazaq]

Mine is a '98 model. No horn. Sorry.

 

[k0ua]

I centered the turn signal switch to no effect, and it was the left signal. It did not stop blinking until I tried to turn it over and everything died.

Ok.. let me look some more..and no horn, means there may be other things different on the diagram... hum... be back with you in a bit.

 

[WhatIsChazaq]

BTW - Know anyone in the area in the market for a rock rake, a single plow and/or a 3 Point PTO Wood Chipper, a 21 ton wood splitter...???

 

[k0ua]

BTW - Know anyone in the area in the market for a rock rake, a single plow and/or a 3 Point PTO Wood Chipper, a 21 ton wood splitter...???

Ok.. now I am starting to get confused.. Ok here is what we know.. Yes the flasher unit is powered all the time on its B terminal from the flasher and timer fuse. on some diagrams (I have 2) is shows as 25 amp and its L terminal goes out to the combination switch. out of the flasher the wire color appears to be Grey/with green tracer and goes into the B2 terminal on the combination switch (this is the turn signal and ho/low beam switch) on the turn signal portion of the switch you have 2 outputs R and L. green/white and red/white. these go to the right and left turn signals and then thru the bulbs to ground. So yes the flasher could be active with the key off. so it seems. Now it is looking like there might be corrosion in the combination switch. I just can't figure out how the lamps can get any voltage without going thru this switch. I am starting to go around here in circles myself.. And why does this prevent other things from working like the starter circuit?.. I don't have answers unless the ground to chassis thing is it.. I dunno...Any one else have any ideas.?
what kind of chipper? and rock rake?

James K0UA

 

[Coyote machine]

I had a feeling you would not want to leave the tractor with the battery connected until this problem is solved. I want to reinforce that statement for the safety of your tractor and barn.
You have an intermittent short that can and very well might cause a fire when you are nowhere near the tractor.
You are close to the solution but not yet close enough to risk a bad outcome.
Since your tractor is a 98 model it could have enough time on one of the battery cables to render it incapable of handling the load of the electrical system when you go to crank the engine, thus all these weird things happening with buzzing relays, turn signal ghosts etc.
I would verify with someone's assistance, ( have them move the ground cable as you seek out voltage drop(s) ), that the ground to chassis from the battery is good with no intermittent issues. Then same with the positive cable. Just to be sure- you have replaced the battery, yes? With a new one of same CCA etc.?
If there is any question of the ground location of the battery ground wire running to the chassis change the ground wire with the same exact gauge wire and crimped on connector on the chassis/frame end, the bolt that connects it to the chassis and any metal that it comes in contact with must be bright and clean of any oxidation, black or burned coloration, etc. Shiny new metal color, then coat with Vaseline or dielectric grease, (or battery terminal anti- corrosion spray AFTER attaching the bolt/washer, etc. to the clean metal). Clean the area with sandpaper and then clean off the sandpaper residue with Brakleen or a similar metal cleaner.
Once the above conditions are met you are ready to troubleshoot other possible avenues of cause/effect. Not until you have verified all this can you effectively solve the problem- and you may get lucky and solve it by doing the above.
Good luck, and DISCONNECT the battery when not in its presence! PLEASE!:2cents:

 

[Alien]

It is an easy thing to buy a new earth strap and add it to what you already have on the tractor. Just run it direct from Battery Neg to an earth on the motor. No need to take the original off.

 

[WhatIsChazaq]

This looks like the exact chipper that I have for sale:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/88215-wc-6-power-take-off.html

 

[WhatIsChazaq]

I re-attached the ground strap yesterday. Same issue. The strap looks good, but I think it's wasted on the inside. If I pulled on it just right, the left turn signal would come on again. Weird thing is I can't turn it off once it starts blinking. Any ideas why it would do that?

 

[k0ua]

I re-attached the ground strap yesterday. Same issue. The strap looks good, but I think it's wasted on the inside. If I pulled on it just right, the left turn signal would come on again. Weird thing is I can't turn it off once it starts blinking. Any ideas why it would do that?

Unfortunately for the life of me by looking at the diagram I cannot. replace the strap and sand and clean up the connection point, and start over is all I can suggest. Sorry

James K0UA

 

[k0ua]

I re-attached the ground strap yesterday. Same issue. The strap looks good, but I think it's wasted on the inside. If I pulled on it just right, the left turn signal would come on again. Weird thing is I can't turn it off once it starts blinking. Any ideas why it would do that?

Unfortunately for the life of me by looking at the diagram I cannot. replace the strap and sand and clean up the connection point, and start over is all I can suggest. Sorry

James K0UA

 

[MossflowerWoods]

The ONLY thing I can even imagine that has the turn signal always on regardless of the switch position is a short of some sort INSIDE the switch itself. I would remove the switch from the circut.

David

 

[grampastractor]

I re-attached the ground strap yesterday. Same issue. The strap looks good, but I think it's wasted on the inside. If I pulled on it just right, the left turn signal would come on again. Weird thing is I can't turn it off once it starts blinking. Any ideas why it would do that?

Is there any chance the 4way flasher is on, if one turn signal was burn out it would appear this way when you have power.
Bad ground cable and one burnt out turn signal with the 4 ways on could explain everything.
Good luck
Don va3any

 

[Sawworcs]

The ONLY thing I can even imagine that has the turn signal always on regardless of the switch position is a short of some sort INSIDE the switch itself. I would remove the switch from the circut.

David

The turn signal could be plugged into the wrong set of wires. Where the turn signal plugs in on the back of the tractor there is an extra set of wires that are always hot, they also have the same plug as the blinker.
As far as not starting if not already mentioned in the last five pages I would first check the starter switch on the clutch (hst model is on the range shifter). I see these go out on all types of tractors, mostly Kubotas.

 

[WhatIsChazaq]

Ah...yes. Will check the hazard switch, der.

OK. Will post up after I swap the ground strap tonight. If it's that simple then I'll kick myself in the rear and post pics of my own boot print.

 

[k0ua]

Ah...yes. Will check the hazard switch, der.

OK. Will post up after I swap the ground strap tonight. If it's that simple then I'll kick myself in the rear and post pics of my own boot print.

Well according to the diagram, the Hazard switch gets its feed from the flasher unit out of its L terminal just as the turn signals. This is hot all of the time regardless of the Key position. BUT the hazard switch when activited feeds both right and left turn signal bulbs at the same time. You see it is wired in parallel with the turn signals and it activates both when it is switched on. I still don't see how if the hazard switch is not engaged and the turn signal is centered to the off position. how the left turn signal is getting feed thru the flasher unit unless there is a problem, a literal short circuit somewhere in the harness or switch or connectors. This is confusing.. and I feel your pain.

James K0UA

 

[k0ua]

It would not hurt to read this thread.. another tractor owner(Massey) with some weird buzzy relays and strange things.
Now resolved by cleaning a wiring connector.

Electrical Gremlin

James K0UA

 

[Sawworcs]

The hot wires that I am talking about are at the back of the tractor. I have plugged into these wires on accident and the hazards will not turn off. Good luck.

 

[Coyote machine]

Ground cable replaced yet?
If not you could use the ground side of a jumper cable in place of the factory ground cable to see if it is the problem.
What's up Chaz?