Buying Advice Diesel smog emission stuff?

[Rich_Z]

One reason I am heavily considering the Kioti CK20SE series with the cab is because all three models weigh the same, and have nearly all the same dimensions. 3,397 lbs. And they are not so wide that any one of them would give me headaches trying to get between the trees on my property. 54.53 inches.

So I need to find out prices to see how much the higher horsepower models will cost and figure if one of those would be worthwhile for the modest HP gains even with this emission stuff involved.

 

[Williy]

There's one person on here that keeps repeating I would never have
a hydro tractor the lost of hp is too high. Most people on here could
care less as a gear tractor is almost worthless for what they want!
Technology has come a long ways and hydro's are more efficient than
they were years ago also who would want to clutch and shift when you
can just step on a pedal and go forward or backward?????!

When I have to regen I am usually running near the rpm's required to
regen and I don't stop just to regen I keep working.
IMHO if you have to regen quite often I would check your thermostat
and change it to 200 degree's F.

willy

 

[jyoutz]

My Kubota MX tractor regenerates every 60-75 hours. In fact it did so today at 75 hours since the previous regeneration. The process took about 15 minutes and the exhaust has a bit of smell during regeneration. I just raised the RPMs and kept working.

 

[jeff9366]

One reason I am heavily considering the Kioti CK20SE series with the cab. Weight with cab = 3,397 lbs.

3,397 pound bare tractor weight may be too heavy for 25-horsepower to move with a ground contact implement in use or ascending hills. Consider that cab air-conditioning will absorb 3-4-horsepower when operating.

If you add a 700-pound Backhoe you will be way beyond a reasonable weight for a 25-horsepower tractor to motivate.

For 5,197 pound operating weight combination (Cab tractor w/AC + 1,100 pound FEL + 700 pound Backhoe) I recommend minimum 40-horsepower.

 

[2manyrocks]

Going from 25 to 35 doesn’t seem like much, but in reality it is a substantial jump in useable Hp when so much of the 25 hp is used to move the tractor. It is similar in a rough sense to the difference in speed going from 25hp to 35 hp on a boat.

Has anyone said what they expect the regen process experience to be if the tractor is operated in the woods at low rpm? I would think it would be better to stay in low range and keep the rpm up?

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Rich,

You should get a tractor that can do the work and tasks you want to do, in the time you want to do it in.

If you're buying a 25hp tractor only to eliminate emissions, but in reality what you need is a 40-50hp tractor for the work and attachments you have, how is that a good idea? you'll be back trading in and trading up in hp before you know it.

Buy the best fit of equipment for the work you need done, and hang all this worry and wort about the emissions stuff. Most folks have no trouble at all with theirs. Just run it like you're supposed to, keep the rpms up, and keep the filter hot.

Easy for me to say, I know. I took my DPF filter off (it "fell off", if anyone asks). Not many system designs will allow this. My problems were cold weather related.

DEF fluid doesn't become mandatory until you cross 75hp.

 

[2manyrocks]

I own a 20hp Terramite backhoe powered by a v twin Kohler gas engine that has a hydraulic propulsion system. It struggles on hills, but has enough power to run the backhoe. It does not have the torque of a diesel engine.

I've never operated a 25hp diesel cab HST backhoe, but I would anticipate there would be enough power to run the backhoe when the tractor is stationary. However, I would anticipate that you'd feel the limitation of 25hp transporting a full load of dirt in the front end loader bucket. I can't say for certain, but would expect it could be done in low range at low speed, but I think 35hp would make a noticeable difference.

 

[Rdrcr]

Going from 25 to 35 doesn’t seem like much, but in reality it is a substantial jump in useable Hp when so much of the 25 hp is used to move the tractor. It is similar in a rough sense to the difference in speed going from 25hp to 35 hp on a boat.

Has anyone said what they expect the regen process experience to be if the tractor is operated in the woods at low rpm? I would think it would be better to stay in low range and keep the rpm up?

I can tell you from experience with my L2501 HST, going from 25 HP stock, to 44.1 HP with the Turbo Kit, was a significant improvement in operating performance. Luckily, no regen or DPF for me.

Mike

 

[Williy]

I have no problem operating a backhoe or any equipment that
I have with 34 HP.with cab and a/c on

willy

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I've never operated a 25hp diesel cab HST backhoe, but I would anticipate there would be enough power to run the backhoe when the tractor is stationary. However, I would anticipate that you'd feel the limitation of 25hp transporting a full load of dirt in the front end loader bucket.

Our BX25D does indeed have enough power to operate the backhoe. Sort of.

On the occasions I use it, the times that the power is lacking are far fewer than that the little thing doesn't weigh enough to use the power.

And the tiny loader bucket holds so little than power isn't an issue then, either.

In my case it isn't that the BX25D lacks power as much as that the operator (me) lacks the patience to spend all the extra time necessary to complete even small jobs.

That's a size thing, more so than a horsepower thing.