Diabetes

[CobyRupert]

I stopped using all sweeteners except Truvia.
I think if you like things "sweet" one will gravitate to all things sweet...desserts, lattes, prepared foods with lots of sugar added
My understanding is that diet soda is almost as bad as the sugary stuff, fakes out the body's glycemic reaction.
I eat an apple every night for dessert and have read that is not so good any more.
Well....I live between two apple orchards and I'm not giving up my apples.
I have cut down on bananas though. Calorie intensive, as they say.

I’m not a Dr., and never played one on TV,
but my understanding is sugar content is a number to look at, like when comparing the amount of sugar in an apple and a glass of soda, but….
…the fiber content of natural fruit slows the bodies absorption and insulin reaction, in a more level way, than sugar water hitting the system.

So make sure you’re comparing…..
.
.
….apples to apples!

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

My wife (bless her...she says she wants to live a long time FOR ME) she has stacks and I mean a library full of books about diabetes. The best thing she did though ($$$) is for years consulted with an endocrinologist, a Dr. from ****** who is diabetic himself.
She may not be an expert but knows a lot. We (primarily me) believe what's really bad is diet soda which screws with your pancreas. Lots of artificial sweetners research, made from petroleum products and other man made stuff. As Jack LaLanne said "if man makes it, you don't want it" (you must be old to remember him).
Stevia at least is a natural plant. She eats apples, oranges, half-bananna. White (except cauliflower) stuff is bad. Carbs is what she's concerned with (35-40/meal). 8 or so night snack is ok. Body turns alcohol to sugar, we don't drink alcohol anyway. Mainly you want variety and slow burn carbs. There are good flours so she makes homemade bread.
Every injury, especially feet/hands even small cuts treat immediately.
Her diabetic parents, Dad passed at 90, Mom at 97.
Check blood glucose often, after a while you know what to do. Exercise, walking is fantastic.

 

[ArlyA]

Folks with type I or II need to move around some. Find something you like doing and do it. You'll live longer and have more fun.

 

[NorTracNY]

well I guess no more Truvia for me...

Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack, stroke, study finds

A sugar replacement used in many stevia, monk-fruit, keto and other reduced-sugar products marketed for weight loss and diabetes has been linked to stroke, heart attack and early death, a new study found.

www.cnn.com

I'm using Swerve which has it. Thanks for the article. I guess it's causing a little uproar in the diabetic community. As the article states, it's currently acknowledged as a correlation and not a causation. I am not using significant quantities of it. The last part of the article stated they gave 30g to people and watched how long it stayed in their blood. It lasted 2 or 3 days. That was 3 servings of ice cream worth! Just because an alternative to sugar exists that doesn't raise the glucose in your blood, doesn't mean you should pig out on it. Everything in moderation.

 

[scootr]

Honestly, Diabetics should just quit the sugar like a lunger should quit smoking.
Next problem?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Honestly, Diabetics should just quit the sugar like a lunger should quit smoking.
Next problem?

Trouble is that our bodies literally run on sugar. Everything gets broken down to sugar—but the thing is how fast it gets broken down to sugar. That's why diabetics pay attention to the three macros: fat, protein, and carbs. Carbs should be limited, and a high fat diet is preferred.

 

[ArlyA]

Glycemic ratings need to be watched..
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The glycaemic index (GI) is a rating system for foods containing carbohydrates. It shows how quickly each food affects your blood sugar (glucose) level when that food is eaten on its own.

 

[scootr]

I was referring to white sugar as poison. It is so for everybody not just diabetics. The thing about carbs is that they are not an essential nutrient. Complex carbs (like vegetables) eaten with protein and fat will digest much slower and infuse sugar into the bloodstream much slower than a handful of cookies and ice cream. Of course we all know that and I'm preaching to the Choir here. lol
Also Diabetics should consider fasting as a way to control sugar levels. A 16 hr fast 3 times a week can make a difference for me. Your mileage may vary

 

[daugen]

I love the taste of Coke, but no longer drink it.
Real challenge is how do you flavor plain healthy water with something that doesn't make it unhealthy?
Coke in third world countries is seen as a very desirable luxury.
And along with the proliferation of soft drinks comes the medical ills they cause

I found this interesting factoid about Coke in an investor magazine recently. And utterly amazing for North America:
Based on company disclosure, annual per capita beverage consumption
in emerging markets ($93 in Asia-Pacific and $144 in Latin America) has a long way
to go to catch up to the $712 seen in North America

I see folks in the supermarket line with cases of Coke and Pepsi.
I guess no different than seeing cartons of cigarettes.
Personal choice.

a few years back the overweight guy in line behind me had three cases of Coca Cola and about a dozen bags of different
potato chips and snacks on top. Nothing else. I was so tempted to take a picture of it, but that would be fat/food shaming and not going there.
I honestly felt sorry for the guy. Sooner or later he is not going to be healthy, and most of us know by now
being sick is no fun at all.

My brilliant and loving Mother was an alcoholic, wrecked her life, so I know what addiction is like up close and too personal.
Food and particularly bad food can become an addiction.
Folks eat for many reasons other than nutrition.
Comfort, instant gratification, success...

am finding my home brewed herbal tea kept in the fridge to be a good solution for me.
I also drink V8 regularly, particularly if I can find the low salt version.

 

[scootr]

It is water or black coffee for me. Occasionally I'll buy carbonated water. But not every week anymore. It has been well documented and publicized that soft drinks and highly processed foods are unhealthy or worse for us. Anybody who wants to know can find the information and learn how to eat healthy before or after diabetes. Unfortunately it takes a bit of discipline which people resist.
My weakness is wine and chips. Replaced with water and a mix of carrots and sugar free jerky.

 

[txdon]

Trouble is that our bodies literally run on sugar. Everything gets broken down to sugar—but the thing is how fast it gets broken down to sugar. That's why diabetics pay attention to the three macros: fat, protein, and carbs. Carbs should be limited, and a high fat diet is preferred.

Wrong. Do you have the most recent studies? Just don't look at numbers, look for the cure.
Fat causes insulin resistance.

What Causes Insulin Resistance? | NutritionFacts.org

Prediabetes and type 2 diabetes are caused by a drop in insulin sensitivity blamed on “intramyocellular lipid,” the buildup of fat inside our muscle cells.

nutritionfacts.org

Also
"Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet and half on a carbohydrate-rich diet—we find that within just two days, glucose intolerance skyrockets in the fat group. The group that had been shoveling fat in ended up with twice the blood sugar. As the amount of fat in the diet goes up, so does one’s blood sugar. Why would eating fat lead to higher blood sugar levels? It would take scientists nearly seven decades to unravel this mystery, but it would end up holding the key to our current understanding of the cause of type 2 diabetes."

Fat Is the Cause of Type 2 Diabetes | NutritionFacts.org

Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet

nutritionfacts.org

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Wrong. Do you have the most recent studies? Just don't look at numbers, look for the cure.
Fat causes insulin resistance.

What Causes Insulin Resistance? | NutritionFacts.org

Prediabetes and type 2 diabetes are caused by a drop in insulin sensitivity blamed on “intramyocellular lipid,” the buildup of fat inside our muscle cells.

nutritionfacts.org

Also
"Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet and half on a carbohydrate-rich diet—we find that within just two days, glucose intolerance skyrockets in the fat group. The group that had been shoveling fat in ended up with twice the blood sugar. As the amount of fat in the diet goes up, so does one’s blood sugar. Why would eating fat lead to higher blood sugar levels? It would take scientists nearly seven decades to unravel this mystery, but it would end up holding the key to our current understanding of the cause of type 2 diabetes."

Fat Is the Cause of Type 2 Diabetes | NutritionFacts.org

Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet

nutritionfacts.org

Okay, those people are killing diabetics, txdon.

Eating fat doesn't cause one to become fat, eating carbs with anything else is what spikes insulin and packs on the fat.

Fat takes our bodies the longest to process and turn into sugars. As Md. Fuhrman stated in his The End of Diabetes, while surveying different diets:

"There is no evidence to suggest that a diet of equal calories that is extremely low in fat is an advantage for prevention or treatment of heart disease or any other disease. Studies that compare dietary fat percentages suggest that it is not the fat level, but other more critical qualities, that make the diet more of less beneficial" (emphasis, his, p. 109).

Fuhrman continues, writing: "I want to be clear that the benefits of a vegetarian or vegetable-based diet are not the result of low-fat intake. ...unlike the people advocating plant-based diets, I recommend more vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, and seeds and less bread, potato, and rice. The daily addition of one or two ounces of nuts and seeds, which average about 175 calories an ounce, can bring up to 15 to 30 percent of calories from fat. This is important..." (ibidem, p. 109).


There are so many good resources on this subject on the internet now. For example, pick this video up at 3:53.

 

[txdon]

Okay, those people are killing diabetics, txdon.

They are curing a progressive disease.
On your YouTube link there was this as one of the next YouTubes see 5:08

 

[NorTracNY]

Hopefully we can agree that this is true science. It's not known for certain what is best, and it may be that there is a different solution for different people. I'm looked at some of the nutritionfacts stuff. It's clear that the medical doctor behind it is well read, but so are the many other doctors in the field. What makes this complicated is the many variables: correlation vs. causation, different bodies, various foods. Not all beef is the same, not all carbs are the same, our bodies deal with different substances based upon what else has been put into it. I'm just hoping that we advance more in the science before politics gets into it.

Once politics gets stronger, then the industry money will cloud the science. Doctor's research will be attacked and not recognized as valuable. I found the lawsuit against Dr. Tim Noakes interesting as he had to defend himself against money from industries in South Africa. Anyone advocating for low carbs is going to get attacked by the corn, potatoes, and grain farm interests if they get too much power.

 

[Bocephous]

Wrong. Do you have the most recent studies? Just don't look at numbers, look for the cure.
Fat causes insulin resistance.

What Causes Insulin Resistance? | NutritionFacts.org

Prediabetes and type 2 diabetes are caused by a drop in insulin sensitivity blamed on “intramyocellular lipid,” the buildup of fat inside our muscle cells.

nutritionfacts.org

Also
"Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet and half on a carbohydrate-rich diet—we find that within just two days, glucose intolerance skyrockets in the fat group. The group that had been shoveling fat in ended up with twice the blood sugar. As the amount of fat in the diet goes up, so does one’s blood sugar. Why would eating fat lead to higher blood sugar levels? It would take scientists nearly seven decades to unravel this mystery, but it would end up holding the key to our current understanding of the cause of type 2 diabetes."

Fat Is the Cause of Type 2 Diabetes | NutritionFacts.org

Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet

nutritionfacts.org

Why are my glucose levels 20-50 points lower consistently when I am eating a high fat/low carb diet, and why did my A1C go from 5.6 to 5.3 in about 3 months?

It also seems that Dr. Gregor is vegan, perhaps? Might this cloud his judgement?

 

[scootr]

Good stuff. We need more.

 

[txdon]

It also seems that Dr. Gregor is vegan, perhaps? Might this cloud his judgement?

He could be on to something:

Perspective: Plant-Based Eating Pattern for Type 2 Diabetes Prevention and Treatment: Efficacy, Mechanisms, and Practical Considerations

This article examines the evidence on plant-based nutrition for the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes, mechanisms, and considerations when recommendin

academic.oup.com

 

[Bocephous]

It makes no sense whatsoever, logically, scientifically, or anecdotally, that eating more carbs will lower ones blood sugar levels. My wife can been eating carnivore (nothing but meat, butter, a bit of dairy) for over a year and has nothing but positive results from doing so.

Lower blood sugar levels
Lower A1C
Lower body fat levels
Increased, consistent energy
No longer suffers from joint pain
No longer asthmatic
A CAC score of "0."

 

[txdon]

'Keto-like' diet may be associated with a higher risk of heart disease, according to new research

A low-carb, high-fat "keto-like" diet may be linked to higher levels of "bad" cholesterol and double the risk of cardiovascular events such as blocked arteries, heart attacks and strokes, according to new research.

www.cnn.com

 

[NorTracNY]

'Keto-like' diet may be associated with a higher risk of heart disease, according to new research

A low-carb, high-fat "keto-like" diet may be linked to higher levels of "bad" cholesterol and double the risk of cardiovascular events such as blocked arteries, heart attacks and strokes, according to new research.

www.cnn.com

That is the same article, or another article, pointing to the same study as was posted earlier in the week. If you read the details, it doesn't really say much. It isn't a strong study as the findings aren't too surprising or interesting, but the "may" is just to grab a headline. There are many stronger studies which have evidence contradicting the "may be linked" from this data.