Describe the Ultimate BX

[Tom_H]

Adding features costs money, are you all going to pay $$$ for this mystical tractor too? Capacity should be reserved for the B-Series.

Frankly, I think the 26hp BX is stupid. There is no need for that kinda power in a subcompact. Its all because of the HP race between companies and the customers focus on that rather meaningless number.

Neil, I have never heard you take this sort of combattive attitude before. If you were standing in front of my face, would you tell me that my conversation was "stupid"? (I know, you're referring to the 26hp as stupid, but we're discussing the ideal BX, as a variant on the BX2650. Your statement infers, to some degree, that our conversation is also stupid). Normally, you give very level headed insight and you have earned customers from your interaction on this board. I think coming here today and calling our conversation "stupid" will not win any new customers today. This is a dream list and we are just having fun talking about ideas, hypotheticals, and possibilities. I have no illusions that Kubota will adopt all these suggestions; they probably won't even read them. Still, it may be possible that one or two solid and practicable ideas may come out of this. Pointing out trade-offs in a logical manner is something most males handle well. Start using the word "stupid", and nothing constructive happens. Concentrate on what is positive, not on what is negative. I hope the rest of your day goes better.

 

[escavader]

I really thought they were on their way to the perfect bx with the 24.They tweeked the power,had curved loader and hoe arms,then they went and put plastic fenders on it!
a 24 with metal fenders,and mabey an optional KUBOTA THUMB,and you got the perfect bx.until then ill keep my 23.
ALAN

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Neil, I have never heard you take this sort of combattive attitude before. If you were standing in front of my face, would you tell me that my conversation was "stupid"?

Sorry for the misunderstanding. In no way did I intend to say that this conversation, or anyones desire for a 26hp BX was stupid. I do think that the BX2650 is totally unnessesary, and frankly stupid.

It will sell, and I understand why they are doing it. Its simply playing off the fact that a vast majority of people have no understanding of torque and get impressed by big horsepower figures. It won't be a better of months till Deere and New Holland up their machines as well.

Now if they offered a 72" Mid mount mower to go with it, then we're talking. At least then you can make some use of all that power.

 

[crbr]

Discussion forums....

 

[KeithInSpace]

Just increasing the flow rate isn't going to do anything but make what you have now move faster.

Really? I would have thought they would back down on the control orifice diameters to each of the movements to compensate, thereby making the corresponding movements the same "speed" as they are now wilst diverting a smaller ratio of overall flow capacity to each individual movement, thus making more flow available to other movements. That would provide the opportunity for similar speed and pressure AND provide flow to more than just two simultaneous movements.

Not trying to be a smarty pants...seriously, this is how I thought it could be done. Not an expert, that's for sure.

And I'm not sure why a single pump couldn't meet the need...certainly, there is sufficient power to drive the machine and operate the FEL. That is not in dispute. The issue is the huge volume used by the BH, which is normally run when stationary (no flow to the FEL or HST).

As for a mini-ex, you know as well as I do that this would look a little silly in a rur-urban (rural urban home...near enough to the big city, but you need to drive past some cows to get to it...) garage. I'm not suggesting I'm irked enough with my setup to blow $20k on a single purpose machine...in the spirit of the thread I just thought it would be nifty to have more nimble movement of the BH cooked into our Dream BX.

 

[KeithInSpace]

stupid

Not a big deal, Mr. MessickFarmEqu. The issue is that this word is normally (and should be) reserved for Hollywood stars that can't stay out of rehab for 2 weeks without hitting the sauce/powder. And for truly gifted and spectactular athletes that, despite making more in a year than most of us will likely make in our lifetimes, feel compelled to even HINT at involvement in illegal activities. I really hope it isn't true.

Those folks are stupid. As a couple examples.

The BX2650 (if it is so called) is just another example of "super size me" America. If there is a bigger one, it usually doesn't follow a genuine NEED (1,000 calories in one sitting doesn't work, but maybe 1,800 will do the trick), but folks will get it because it's THERE.

I didn't get the BX1830 because the BX2230 was only $500 more. "Stupid" to not pay the $500 (~3% of my initial investment) for 20% more power, right?

Kubota is betting that folks will pony up for 26HP if it is available. Necessary or not.

My prediction is that Kubota will win on their bet. Stupid or not.

And yes, a 72" mower would be imperative for this to even HINT at being a reasonable upgrade. With a 6' deck (if the wheelbase is not increased), this would be as near a 4-wheel ZTR as any other machine possible.

 

[DiezNutz]

Really? Yep.

I would have thought they would back down on the control orifice diameters to each of the movements to compensate, thereby making the corresponding movements the same "speed" as they are now wilst diverting a smaller ratio of overall flow capacity to each individual movement, thus making more flow available to other movements. That would provide the opportunity for similar speed and pressure AND provide flow to more than just two simultaneous movements. Not trying to be a smarty pants...seriously, this is how I thought it could be done. Not an expert, that's for sure.

The spools in our BHs work by diverting the high-pressure port to a work cylinder, cutting the rest of the spools in that block off in the process. What doesn't go into a cylinder passes through the center of the spool block and out the return port. What simultaneous action you're able to get now by feathering two controls can't be improved on a whole lot with this setup. So you jack up the flow rate to control two cylinders... now how does one cylinder behave when it's getting full flow? No matter what tweaking you did in the hopes of getting more simultaneous control, you'd always have the problem of two cylinders interacting with each other in annoying ways. That's why true excavators have multiple pumps on independent circuits. Think how nice the BH would be to operate if it had the smooth range of control that the HST does - that's what the V/D pumps buy you.

As for a mini-ex, you know as well as I do that this would look a little silly in a rur-urban garage.
Bet you have a neighbor who's driven past your BX several times and is scheming to one-up you. Probably online researching mini-ex's right now...

 

[KeithInSpace]

Bet you have a neighbor who's driven past your BX several times and is scheming to one-up you. Probably online researching mini-ex's right now...

A statement painful in its truth.

As I said, not an expert. Thank you for the insight.

Then I hereby alter my previous ULTIMATE BX request: I want two hydraulic pumps. Maybe that way I can have the BONUS FEATURE of simultaniously curling and raising my FEL. Hot diggity dog! Of course I'd never be able to get one. Probably have the 2230 'till I kick the bucket. Not the FEL bucket...the REAL bucket.

 

[Tom_H]

Well, here are the things I would like to see:

Better filtering system in front of the radiator

Smaller & full folding ROPS (Neil-not every request is for something bigger)

More hydro pressure to the bh so it can dig in ultra hard hardpan

Three range HST, not for higher speed, but so I can get more torque in low range and more easily pull subsoiler/ripper

I understand what Neil is saying re. an entry level tractor having too many features and thus being too pricy. Therefore I would like to see the following offered as factory options offered by the manufacturer:

Skid plate

FEL bucket grapple

BH arm to have small welded base where folding thumb can easily be attached or detatched and not interfere with hyrdo couplings/lines

End of bh optional implements: ripper tooth, hydro-pressure powered root cutter (like a bolt cutter)

Rear remotes for downpressured PHD and top N tilt for small box blade (The BX is a nice size for small landscaping jobs. A 36"-42" box blade with Top N Tilt would be fantastic

4 in 1 FEL bucket

In my wildest dreams I'd love a removable cab and an air conditioner for those 115 degree days when I'm brush hogging in toxic Russian Star Thistle. Of course I realize that's going too far in reality, but it's still fun to dream.

 

[stnemason]

Amen!