Delete DEF

[truckdiagnostics]

Chinese release new tools all the time and they are getting better.

The aftermarket is catching up to the OEM software. I think it just got more profitable. It's the OEMs fault as far as i am concerned. I don't mind buying it if they would sell it, which is kind of my point.

Have you found a software and interface that will work on the Kubota's. By works, it will allow a forced regen recalibrate for needed sensors and actuators. I try to get a direction, little figured out before i need it......... I haven't even looked to see what Kubota uses for a diagnostic plug, translator and software.

It was so much nicer when all you needed was a box full of tools and you could get what you needed off the tool truck. There is just something about not being allowed to work on your own stuff that has always bothered me.

It has been a while, but you would think John Deere owned the tractor, the way they have their software locked down. Unless it has changed. Using Deere as a benchmark I am hoping Kubota will not be as bad.

 

[Eagle1]

No ECM on my Kubota, no electronics at all. I do have 2018 LS and tools for it are starting to show up. Have not needed anything beside my Innova automotive scanner to read and clear codes so far on the LS.
If I get time I'll look if my pea brain remembers.

 

[truckdiagnostics]

If I get time I'll look if my pea brain remembers.

My doctor friend was wining about the technology changes and the changes in the medical field. I laughed at him, "all you have to do is learn two models and they don't change every year.

His reply was, "well you don't have to work on yours while there running and they don't talk back" Got me there

 

[Eagle1]

The aftermarket is catching up to the OEM software. I think it just got more profitable. It's the OEMs fault as far as i am concerned. I don't mind buying it if they would sell it, which is kind of my point.

Have you found a software and interface that will work on the Kubota's. By works, it will allow a forced regen recalibrate for needed sensors and actuators. I try to get a direction, little figured out before i need it......... I haven't even looked to see what Kubota uses for a diagnostic plug, translator and software.

It was so much nicer when all you needed was a box full of tools and you could get what you needed off the tool truck. There is just something about not being allowed to work on your own stuff that has always bothered me.

It has been a while, but you would think John Deere owned the tractor, the way they have their software locked down. Unless it has changed. Using Deere as a benchmark I am hoping Kubota will not be as bad.

Still pretty pricey DIagmaster, jaltest and TEXA have good version. There seem to be some Chinese versions of diagmaster in the wild a bit more reasonable. Still looks like 1K and up. Yet a visit to the dealer to push some buttons can be 1k +

 

[DarkBlack]

On tractors just go back to the tier 3 or early tier 4 interim requirements, the early common rail tractors were very efficient and reliable up to about 2011.

Or just get a good condition mechanical injection tractor, with no BS emissions and computer systems to fail.

 

[Shenandoah MF1760]

don't know why this equipment was ever required to have it in the first place.

Trying to make sense of half of what the government does is a waste of time. It all boils down to who is going to benefit and make money from it.

I heard on the radio the other day some countries are pushing for a non-proliferation act aimed at combustion engines to reduce climate change.

That would make things with ICE engines like cars in Singapore. You couldn't get a new one unless you disposed of the old one. And if you needed an additional one you'd have to get it from someone else that had one. The existing number would be fixed unable to increase, but allowed to decrease.

 

[gsganzer]

Trying to make sense of half of what the government does is a waste of time. It all boils down to who is going to benefit and make money from it.

I heard on the radio the other day some countries are pushing for a non-proliferation act aimed at combustion engines to reduce climate change.

That would make things with ICE engines like cars in Singapore. You couldn't get a new one unless you disposed of the old one. And if you needed an additional one you'd have to get it from someone else that had one. The existing number would be fixed unable to increase, but allowed to decrease.

This whole electric car push is a debacle. All it does is push the rape and pillaging to another natural resource. And in the case of electric cars and increased electrical appliances/utilities, many are rare earth minerals that are energy intensive to mine, extract, recycle or reclaim. Never mind the push for "one size for all". I'd have no problem with an electric or hybrid for my wife, but it would never work for me and what I do.

 

[JasperFrank]

Not going to happen. But what will happen is the farmers who delete DEF will have to be pretty proficient mechanics, because no dealer or other licensed repair business will work on them when they need repairs.

This happened to us with a Subaru Hill Holder brake system. I requested that it be completely by passed, the valve was leaking and a replacement was $$$$, more than the value of the car. No mechanic would do this under hire as a bypass. So I learned how to bend and re-nipple brake line tube. The fix was easy. Got another 50,000 miles out the car. This wasn't anything like a regen bypass. Yet, it was a small surprise to me that mechanic shops doubled down on only doing OEM spec repairs when this feature, and even the mechanics agreed was not, an essential, or mandated safety item. The wife's newish car has a button, I can push that, and it turns off the passenger airbag. If the car didn't have that button, I couldn't ask a mechanic to disable it or add a switch.

 

[LouNY]

Or just get a good condition mechanical injection tractor, with no BS emissions and computer systems to fail.

Over at the farm there is a Puma 125 and New Holland T6050Plus, same engines and close to the same age the NH is actually younger then the Puma.
The Puma is common rail, the NH is mechanical.
The Puma starts better in the winter, pulls the hills a bit better and gets quite a bit better fuel efficiency. They both have loaders and are used every day they both have over 6000 hours on them.
They both have had about the same number of problems and issues, neither have had any engine problems.

 

[DarkBlack]

Over at the farm there is a Puma 125 and New Holland T6050Plus, same engines and close to the same age the NH is actually younger then the Puma.
The Puma is common rail, the NH is mechanical.
The Puma starts better in the winter, pulls the hills a bit better and gets quite a bit better fuel efficiency. They both have loaders and are used every day they both have over 6000 hours on them.
They both have had about the same number of problems and issues, neither have had any engine problems.

The common rail should get a bit better fuel economy. My mechanical injection tractor is kept in a heated garage so it starts easily in the winter.
Your experience sounds reasonable.
Thing is, your common rail -computer tractor, while not having an expensive computer or emissions issue yet, can and will at some point. Maybe not for a while..maybe tomorrow. The mechanical injection machine doesn’t have that inevitable fate looming

 

[truckdiagnostics]

Or just get a good condition mechanical injection tractor, with no BS emissions and computer systems to fail.

I hear you. But that is hard to do when everyone else is doing the same thing. It is a coin toss. Do you spend the time fixing the used stuff or buy newer and hope you get a few years of blissful trouble-free service. Either way you're fixing something. We bought the B3350 for the cab and horsepower. And I am pretty sure I can get it.

It's not even the money that comes out in the wash. It is the loading it up and getting it to the dealer. They would come out or come and get it, but then that takes longer and you're without the machine. So, with a little planning ahead we are usually faster than they are. Then it comes down to time and you hope you have it when it breaks.

 

[truckdiagnostics]

Alrighty, searched on the interweb. Looks like the Diagdiagnostics is Kubota's OEM software? If that is true, Then my guess is the version I am going to get isn't going to do much. Then what are the chances of the other software(s) doing the same thing. A glorified reader that gets them around the, "we sell are software so you can repair your stuff issue.". But all it is is a glorified code reader.

My favorite right now is the ford rotunda software. Pricey pay as you go, works well and if you jump through the hoops you can do just about anything. When GM got rid of the Tech II I gave up, so i can't compare to them or Chrysler for that matter.

I am leaning towards an easier way to load the tractor on the trailer. I want one of those PJ power tails and a hydraulic winch. I know what i want now i just have to find someone to fabricate it. Can't do it anymore or at least not that much.

Then its a matter of what protocol there on so one can figure out the interface. They are real proud of there's. Its a hobby, keeps me out of trouble. For the most part if i can get things figured out i can find someone to come out and do the physical labor. But my kids are getting tired of it....

 

[jyoutz]

This whole electric car push is a debacle. All it does is push the rape and pillaging to another natural resource. And in the case of electric cars and increased electrical appliances/utilities, many are rare earth minerals that are energy intensive to mine, extract, recycle or reclaim. Never mind the push for "one size for all". I'd have no problem with an electric or hybrid for my wife, but it would never work for me and what I do.

I’m not in the market for a new vehicle, but those vehicles they are advertising that have both an electric and gas engines are interesting.

 

[gsganzer]

I’m not in the market for a new vehicle, but those vehicles they are advertising that have both an electric and gas engines are interesting.

I agree. From my understanding with hybrids, they come in 4 types. Here's a good explanation of them. Different types of hybrids

My wife has been looking at a Toyota Venza or Highlander hybrid.

 

[5030]

Keep in mind that if you do any 'delete' on any EPA compliant tractor, it's yours forever, you cannot trade it in as no dealer will accept a deleted unit on trade so if you do, plan on keeping it forever. You could sell it via private sale but that won't relieve you of any liability should the subsequent owner decide to trade it in.. They will come right back on you for selling under false pretenses.

Simple answer is buy a used in good condition, pre 4 unit.

 

[Dman1981]

Yea for sure nobody would want a decent running newer tractor

 

[truckdiagnostics]

Keep in mind that if you do any 'delete' on any EPA compliant tractor, it's yours forever, you cannot trade it in as no dealer will accept a deleted unit on trade so if you do, plan on keeping it forever. You could sell it via private sale but that won't relieve you of any liability should the subsequent owner decide to trade it in.. They will come right back on you for selling under false pretenses.

Simple answer is buy a used in good condition, pre 4 unit.

I don't know of anyone that has had that happen on a car or truck. Let alone a tractor. I am sorry a dealer will take anything in trade. You may loose the money to bring it back to stock in it's value, but they'll take it in trade. That is only if they can figure out it has been deleted. Most automotive vehicles that are traded into the dealer that are older go to auction where no one cares. And i am sure they keep real good records of all the previous owners on a tractor, because all i know is it was that way when i bought it. Now, I am sure there is someone that knows somebody the knows somebody who's brother in law knows somebody that has had that happen. And i am sure if you do an internet search on Al Gore's interweb it is happening everyday. I'll worry about it when someone i know has had it happen.

As for solving the problem, we have to stop electing mourns.

Selling under false pretenses. You mean like the tractor runs like it is supposed too.

The last vehicle i turned into a dealer had the cat deleted and I'm not in jail.

 

[5030]

As for solving the problem, we have to stop electing mourns.

It's morons btw and I agree 100% Of course I have no issues with deleting anything because all my tractors as well as my pickup truck are / is pre 4 mandate. One less worry for me.

 

[jyoutz]

I don't know of anyone that has had that happen on a car or truck. Let alone a tractor. I am sorry a dealer will take anything in trade. You may loose the money to bring it back to stock in it's value, but they'll take it in trade. That is only if they can figure out it has been deleted. Most automotive vehicles that are traded into the dealer that are older go to auction where no one cares. And i am sure they keep real good records of all the previous owners on a tractor, because all i know is it was that way when i bought it. Now, I am sure there is someone that knows somebody the knows somebody who's brother in law knows somebody that has had that happen. And i am sure if you do an internet search on Al Gore's interweb it is happening everyday. I'll worry about it when someone i know has had it happen.

As for solving the problem, we have to stop electing mourns.

Selling under false pretenses. You mean like the tractor runs like it is supposed too.

The last vehicle i turned into a dealer had the cat deleted and I'm not in jail.

Most dealers won’t take tractors with altered ROPs or emissions in trade. Because it’s illegal for them to resell them. I’m sure that some independent dealers would, but not most brand dealerships. They also won’t work on a engine with altered emissions.

 

[spitter]

Good delete kits are plug and play, meaning that you just plug in a jumper harness and remove DPF, EGR ETC. Then run the download. When you want to put it back to stock just delete program and reinstall original equipment. Google GPT Consulting it has a full expiation of how it works. I myself would have no problem buying a machine that was deleted correctly.