Deere advert

/ Deere advert #21  
Not to any one person. Some of you should really try the Mozilla SeaMonkey browser. You can customize just how much you want or don't want, specific to just about everything. You also don't have to worry about viruses or addware to speak of. I normally run with just about everything on. Maybe I should change that, because the pokey JD tractor is still slowing things down.
 
/ Deere advert #22  
Since the Deere ad started, I just go to another website when I want to open another forum here. I know it will take a little time for it to run it's course, so it's like a bad commercial. I just change the channel and come back later when it's over.

What I've always wondered is how many people actually buy a product that annoys you all the time? Our local Chevy dealer had those loud, in your face ads on TV all the time. After a few years of that, he's out of business and the Nissan dealer now owns that dealership.

Eddie
 
/ Deere advert #23  
I use two or three windows to view TBN. After I've got the first one loaded, I'll read it while the others are loading. Then while I'm reading the second one, I'm loading another. Seems faster anyway. The JD ad really slows things down, takes right at twice as long for a page to load.
 
/ Deere advert #24  
I just timed the moving banner twice. From the time I entered the site until all the various forums popped up was 7-8 seconds. Once the forums or the 1,6,12,24 hour choice pops up you can then go to your choice without waiting foir the banner to finish. I thought my customers were impatient, but a 7-8 second wait is too much ???
 
/ Deere advert #25  
Lewis,

There are many factors that determine exactly how quickly particular sites, screens, banners or ads load.

The load you claim is taking 7 or 8 seconds, is not what is experienced by the overwhelming majority of our users.

Since we know from our own tests that the most of the site itself loads in a second or two, the "cause" of your slow loading time cannot be remedied by anything we could do.

The TBN site is designed to accommodate most average users. From time to time, some people have longer load times. It is not due to the TBN site loading slowly, but to individual operating systems variables, video card configurations, or memory, or virus checking or other system software, or ???

Virtually every commercial site on the Internet has some kind of advertising. Various kinds of ads come and go, and we are always evaluating the types we run here on TBN. For the vast majority of users, TBN continues to be one of the best performing web sites they visit.

We truly do sympathize with those who had speed problems, but according to our programmers, it is not due to our site itself, but to hardware, software and configuration issues of individual users.
 
/ Deere advert #26  
I just did an unofficial test. I hit refresh on a non JD ad page and it took 13 seconds. I hit refresh on a page that had the two JD ads and it took 25 seconds to load. That's with a 46.6 Kbps dial up.

I'm not arguing with you but this slow loading happens every time theirs a JD ad/s.
 
/ Deere advert #28  
Just a thought here.. but what about disabling macromedia... I'm guessing the other browsers do not use macromedia ?? is that sort of banner handling built in as opposed to add on, as in win/ie6 ?? When i did a test with my macromedia turned way down.. load times got way better.. however many inet sites sufferd as it appears many sites are using at least a little bit of flash code apparently..

Soundguy
 
/ Deere advert #29  
The good thing about Firefox and Adblock is that it's site specific. You decide what you want removed from each site.
 

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/ Deere advert #30  
Jerry, I want to thank you for the info about Firefox and Adblock. I just downloaded it and couldn't believe my eyes. It makes TBN load incredibly fast. I would suggest to anyone that hasn't tried it to do it NOW. Now I'm off to find a spell checker that will work with Firefox.

Thanks again
 
/ Deere advert #31  
<font color="blue"> Now I'm off to find a spell checker that will work with Firefox. </font>
There isn't one that works with the current release of Firefox (1.5.0.1)
 
/ Deere advert #32  
Billy,
here is one from Mozilla's website
Editor

However I have no experience with it, so you look at it and see if it's right for you.
 
/ Deere advert #33  
Editor only does a word at a time and is not compatible with Auto Copy.
 
/ Deere advert #35  
For everyone that is on dial-up and uses IE and doesn't use the 1/6/12/24/48 hour features that TBN provides(I don't know why you wouldn't), try this...

Load the main index page.

RIGHT CLICK on the fourm that you want to browse and choose "Open in new window".

This pops open a new IE window and that forum loads in it. If you want to go back to the main menu, just click on your window that has it open already.

You can open a forum, go back to the main menu window, open another forum window, go back to the main menu window and then open a third window with another forum, etc...

Then go back to the first forum you opened and read it while the others load, etc...

This is much easier with Firefox and the "Open in new tab" feature, but some folks have not downloaded Firefox, yet.

Anyhow, face it... we are on dial up and we need to use the resources we have to maximize our time reading and not waiting. We all have the tools available to do this. Some of us either choose not to use them or don't know about them yet.
 
/ Deere advert #36  
Thanks Ron. I downloaded the toolbar and it works perfect. I even got my AutoFill back /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Deere advert #37  
I killed the ad by disabling the macromedia device using a toggle in the "manage add-ons" section under the tools button on top of my IE. Way better, JD is not helping themselves with this.
 
/ Deere advert #38  
Hakim, I appreciate your thorough explanation of the 'slow-down' issues experienced by some (including myself). But, I must ask the obvious question. If our hardware, software, and configuration are to blame, why did it only start after the John Deere ad was implemented ?
Personally, I am on Direcway Satellite and TBN main index loads so slow that I can barely use the site. I usually have to load the site and walk away. I come back in about five minutes and then use the 6 or 12 hour buttons. Going back to the index is no longer and option for me.
I fully support using ads on TBN, but this one is really killing my ability to use the site.
 
/ Deere advert #39  
Jerry,

Not everyone has experienced slow down in their access to TBN during this ad campaign.

Most ordinary users have little or no technical knowledge of computers to speak of (and especially dial-up users). Generally speaking, they do nothing at all to adjust, tweak or optimize their settings that their computer arrived with. I am not trying to offend anyone; this is just the fact of access for a significant percentage of all users, not just TBN members.

Moreover, most people who use the factory setup of their computer have various layers of "helper" apps like spyware and virus checkers, e-mail scripts and many other programs, that all can add time to the "surfing experience." They do not even know what is running, and cannot be expected to go inside their Windows OS settings to make proper changes.

Yes, the Deere ad does place greater demand on resources. But we cannot try and optimize every different user's setups, because there are many hundreds of them, all different.

The entire "Internet experience" at the moment is in a kind of midway stage -- where maybe 65% or so of users now have broadband; but at least 25% or more have dial-up.

Knowing that more than 50% of home users now have broadband, many companies have opened the flood gates as it were, and want to create the most aggressive and challenging apps, like complex Java script banners, video and audio inserts into web pages and e-mail, etc.

Personally I do not agree with this development, because so many people, literally tens of millions, are still "struggling along with computers that are several years old, and less than maximum access speeds.

We are on an Adelphia cable special high speed link, which supposedly provides around 5 megs/sec download and around 1 mg upload. Our tests indicate these are actual speeds for the most part.

So obviously, we do not experience much if any problems with loading times.

It is not an easy thing to tweak one's system settings to get maximum performance out of an Internet connection. Digital satellite definitely has what is known as "latency problems" meaning time lag between a call of a page and the actual download. Since virtually every page that is "called" from TBN is made new, you probably are going to have the worst possible experience using satellite connection.

Having said all that, we are aware of the issues; one of our problems is that the people who actually place the ads for the John Deere company, are not the same office that makes the banner ads. Ad agencies and artistic people are famous for going way overboard with their "creative."

If Muhammad had access to the actual code being used on the Deere banners, he could easily optimize it. But that is not possible for this campaign.

Believe me, he will be speaking with all of the people on the client side, and make them aware of the problems this particular campaign has caused. He has various suggestions for how the speed issues can be improved for those with limited speed access.

In the meantime, the "solution" is to shut off banners, turn off Java script. Then the Deere ad would have no effect on your surfing experience, except you would not see the ads.

Or you can search on Google for the key words or phrase "speed up Internet access". Lots of things to try.

Hope this helps.
 

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