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[moongoose]

Welcome mongoose, I am new as well, I purchased my p7010 back in July and love it, few little problems but overall great, just wandering I had trouble get much extra information from the dealer, I mean they knew the basic stuff about my tractor but not much more. I found out more on my own on here than anywhere. Does LS have training they send dealers to on their products? Is there a rep. a customer can talk to if they have a question about something? Thanks

Fire away at what questions/concerns you have. I'm sure we can get you whatever you need!!

 

[moongoose]

Hi mongoose, There have been more than a few occasions when comparing the FEL lift specs of various tractor brands in the 50-70HP range that LS seems to be way more or very near the top in lift capacities. Have you noticed this, is it something LS are deliberately trying to differentiate themselves upon, do you check the relief pressures before sending a new tractor on its way, and have you confirmed the specs in real world use - e.g. loaded a known weight on a FEL and raised to full height? Take the P7010's loader for example, it is supposed to lift 3500lbs (at pins) to full height. That is mighty impressive. Thanks.

They have a pretty impressive hydraulic system on their tractors. Honestly we have not tested all series to make sure the specs are correct. However I lifted 2400 lbs with a G3038. Obviously had counter weight on back but it's still pretty good. I know a 5055 will lift about 3000 lbs. we unloaded a 270 gal tote of chemical off a truck.. Sure haven't had anyone complain about lift capacity.

 

[KiwiBro]

However I lifted 2400 lbs with a G3038.

Thanks for your reply.
On that G3038, did you lift 2400 lbs (50% more than it shows in specs) to full height?
Not that it would be a recommendation to ever lift or carry more than it's rated for but if careful, on good ground, well ballasted and needed occasionally, I'm sure people have a go from time to time, at their own risk.

I wonder if the same wriggle room is in the P7010 specs; 50% more than rated would put it at a remarkable 5250 lbs. Although that would be more than the breakout of 5088 lbs, whereas in the case of that G3038 the breakout is 2600 lbs.

 

[charles todd]

Thanks for your reply.
On that G3038, did you lift 2400 lbs (50% more than it shows in specs) to full height?
Not that it would be a recommendation to ever lift or carry more than it's rated for but if careful, on good ground, well ballasted and needed occasionally, I'm sure people have a go from time to time, at their own risk.

I wonder if the same wriggle room is in the P7010 specs; 50% more than rated would put it at a remarkable 5250 lbs. Although that would be more than the breakout of 5088 lbs, whereas in the case of that G3038 the breakout is 2600 lbs.

I know that my P7010C picked up 3, 2000+ lb pallets of corn at idle without any indication of strain or laboring of the engine or hydraulics. It did get a little light in the rear due to having zero ballast. I have a couple of heavier, known weight objects that I will lift later!

CT

 

[KiwiBro]

It did get a little light in the rear due to having zero ballast.

I'm not surprised.
That's some impressive load lifting. If it would handle lifting 6000lbs to, say, 4 feet off the ground, and can handle moving that around without breaking anything, the P7010 story just keeps getting better.

 

[charles todd]

I'm not surprised.
That's some impressive load lifting. If it would handle lifting 6000lbs to, say, 4 feet off the ground, and can handle moving that around without breaking anything, the P7010 story just keeps getting better.

CORRECTION! Each pallet was 2000+ lbs. I lifted them one at a time! Loader is "rated" at 3500 lbs.

CT

 

[KiwiBro]

:laughing:

 

[BlessedMess]

Welcome Moon. Glad you're on here to answer questions... I've worked with ya a "few" times, and can vouch to all that he and their shop are the real deal.

A couple other folks and I were wondering if LS offer a hydraulic or manual thumb option on the XU series backhoe?

 

[the whispering oaks farm]

I for one appreciate you being on board and welcome you to our little group. thanks for helping out .

 

[Underdog57]

I also appreciate your input ,Moon. I wish my dealer was active here! :thumbsup:

 

[breadtrk]

See you in the morning!

 

[Bendecko]

KiwiBro. I had a vibration in the steering wheel and column assembly at certain speed and rpm, dealer was able to fix when I took back for 50hr service, they said too much air pressure in front tires and they rotated front wheels on center section. Also clock want hold correct time. Thanks

 

[breadtrk]

I've been communicating with them for 2 days via text, PM and Email. All I can say is I'm impressed. I'm going to do the 2 hour drive to see if they are real. Rules prohibit me form tossing names but every one knows why I'm not happy with my dealer. I'll drive the extra hour (cause I like to drive down the road toting my sexy tractor) to get to a real shop.

I'll give an honest opinion of what I find. I'm easy, I'll be happy with a concrete floor.

 

[KiwiBro]

KiwiBro. I had a vibration in the steering wheel and column assembly at certain speed and rpm, dealer was able to fix when I took back for 50hr service, they said too much air pressure in front tires and they rotated front wheels on center section. Also clock want hold correct time. Thanks

Thanks.

 

[xrsrfn]

Mongoose

Thank you for taking time to join as well as answer questions, I was looking at trading up from my U-5020 to a U-5030 or a XU-5065. In looking at the specifications from LS on their website I noticed that the 5030 engine is 203.3 cu.in. and is rated at 55 HP and the XU5065 is 135.2 cu.in. rated at 65 HP. I am not a diesel engine expert but most times to get more HP you have more displacement unless you increase compression or other means as stroke.

My question is with the reduction of displacement is there a reduction of life and an increase in service intervals that increases cost for lubes an filters? Really would like to go to the power shuttle as what little i have heard once you have one you will never go back to the old sync shift. I am planning on this as a long term ownership not planning to sell so it is an important decision.

Thank you for the info

 

[xrsrfn]

Mongoose

Thank you for taking time to join as well as answer questions, I was looking at trading up from my U-5020 to a U-5030 or a XU-5065. In looking at the specifications from LS on their website I noticed that the 5030 engine is 203.3 cu.in. and is rated at 55 HP and the XU5065 is 135.2 cu.in. rated at 65 HP. I am not a diesel engine expert but most times to get more HP you have more displacement unless you increase compression or other means as stroke.

My question is with the reduction of displacement is there a reduction of life and an increase in service intervals that increases cost for lubes an filters? Really would like to go to the power shuttle as what little i have heard once you have one you will never go back to the old sync shift. I am planning on this as a long term ownership not planning to sell so it is an important decision.

Thank you for the info

 

[GManBart]

Mongoose

Thank you for taking time to join as well as answer questions, I was looking at trading up from my U-5020 to a U-5030 or a XU-5065. In looking at the specifications from LS on their website I noticed that the 5030 engine is 203.3 cu.in. and is rated at 55 HP and the XU5065 is 135.2 cu.in. rated at 65 HP. I am not a diesel engine expert but most times to get more HP you have more displacement unless you increase compression or other means as stroke.

My question is with the reduction of displacement is there a reduction of life and an increase in service intervals that increases cost for lubes an filters? Really would like to go to the power shuttle as what little i have heard once you have one you will never go back to the old sync shift. I am planning on this as a long term ownership not planning to sell so it is an important decision.

Thank you for the info

The U-5030 engine is naturally aspirated, and indirect injection, where the XU-5065 is turbocharged, and common rail direct injection. That's going from one of the least efficient, to most efficient systems, hence the higher output from less displacement.

Even at the higher output per cubic inch, the XU engine isn't anywhere near highly stressed, and should last many thousands of hours without major problems.

 

[KiwiBro]

Further to this the rated RPM's vary a bit between those two engines and I suspect the stroke lengths will too.

As an aside, the XU5065 engine rated HP and rpm on the LS website don't seem to match those published by the manufacturer, Shibaura. I don't know if different testing methods were used.

 

[xrsrfn]

Further to this the rated RPM's vary a bit between those two engines and I suspect the stroke lengths will too.

As an aside, the XU5065 engine rated HP and rpm on the LS website don't seem to match those published by the manufacturer, Shibaura. I don't know if different testing methods were used.

I noticed that the kw rating was lower on Shibaura than what LS is rating them at.

Thanks GmanBart, , maybe i just need a turbo on my 5020 haha!

 

[ProdaddyTX]

XU series engines

The U-5030 engine is naturally aspirated, and indirect injection, where the XU-5065 is turbocharged, and common rail direct injection. That's going from one of the least efficient, to most efficient systems, hence the higher output from less displacement.

Even at the higher output per cubic inch, the XU engine isn't anywhere near highly stressed, and should last many thousands of hours without major problems.

Everytime I see a chance to chime in with a useful answer it seems like you've already beat me to the punch! LOL Good job, GMan!

That's exactly right, the high injection pressures (26,000 - 29,000 psi) atomize the fuel so well that the exhaust is clean without any regen, and you can tune for more power, better fuel economy, or both. In the case of the XU5055, you'll get up to 18% better fuel economy than the U5030's Mitsubishi engine rated for the same output. Additionally these Shibaura engines, relative to the outgoing Mitsus, have a solid block / captured crank design, fewer internal moving parts since they use a serpentine belt, and a better lubrication scheme with dedicated oil lines providing positive lubrication everywhere it's needed in the engine.

We first started learning about these engines on a LS sponsored dealer trip to Korea 2 years ago, and then in tech classes beginning 1.5 years ago just before they became available for sale. The more we learn, the more we like! Other than one customer damaging his main wiring harness with some modification, they've been 100% trouble free so far, and we fully expect that trend to continue.