CT230 backhoe?

[wallace]

I am almost positive that the Woods Kioti sub frame will bolt right up on the 2 series Bobcats.
I did not do this yet however we will being doing it in a week or so a soon as I get some Bobcat loaders in.
Then I can give you a definite answer.
Now I know that the Woods Kioti sub frames for the larger 3 and 4 series Bobcats will not bolt up without modifications.

In your prices especially the one from ebay...don't forget to add a bucket, hydraulics, and the sub frame if any of that is not included already.

I have 1 black 80X that I am going to have to move out and I can do a complete package for $6,855.
If you have a rear remote on your Bobcat already then I can do it for $6,500.
Plus shipping.
Just giving you an idea.
Now remember there is only 1 at this price.
Woods has had 2 price increases since I got this hoe.
By the way this is one of the newer ones that has the factory thumb mount on it.

The Woods 90X is still a much larger hoe than the Rhino 85.

 

[Gittyup]

I thought someone mentioned that the Woods BH might interfere with the BC loader? I guess Rick will let us know shortly.

 

[galaxie428]

I am almost positive that the Woods Kioti sub frame will bolt right up on the 2 series Bobcats.
I did not do this yet however we will being doing it in a week or so a soon as I get some Bobcat loaders in.
Then I can give you a definite answer.

Yes, I would be interested to know what you find out also. I sure hate to buy something that is not going to bolt up to my tractor. I guess worse case is I have to take it somewhere to have the bracket modified. I have a Lincoln Electric 175HD welder but I would have to think that the thickness of the metal on the subframe is bigger than what it would handle.

I really appreciate your help, especially since you have experience with both Kioti and BC.

I also sent you a PM Rick.

 

[dfkrug]

I thought someone mentioned that the Woods BH might interfere with the BC loader?

The BC loader is mid-mounted, like the CK's FEL, so I would be surprised
if a hoe subframe for the CK would not fit that for the CT. I have not
seen the subframe from Rhino, Woods, or Bradco, however. The bigger
BCs, like the CT335 use an FEL that has a subframe that extends
rearward...totally different.

As for specs and fitment, BC's hoe would be the easiest path to take,
but be careful with specs. Digging depth is standard, but other specs
are hard to compare. Manufacturers don't always give hyd pressure
requirements....don't get a hoe that is designed for less than 2500psi.
Your tractor can do 8.3 GPM at 2711 psi, assuming the RV is set
correctly.

 

[galaxie428]

As for specs and fitment, BC's hoe would be the easiest path to take,
but be careful with specs. Digging depth is standard, but other specs
are hard to compare. Manufacturers don't always give hyd pressure
requirements....don't get a hoe that is designed for less than 2500psi.
Your tractor can do 8.3 GPM at 2711 psi, assuming the RV is set
correctly.

In looking at both Rhino and Woods, I don't see that either one of them has 2500psi or more. They are both close, something like 2470psi for the Woods. What happens with a lower PSI than 2500?

 

[dfkrug]

In looking at both Rhino and Woods, I don't see that either one of them has 2500psi or more. They are both close, something like 2470psi for the Woods. What happens with a lower PSI than 2500?

Some hoes are specced at only 2100 or so. The biggest issue is if
your hoe is connected to a "power beyond" type connection. That
would limit your FEL to whatever pressure your hoe RV is set to. That
can cheat you out of lots of force that you paid for. On the other hand,
if you use detented work ports on your AUX valves (I do on my CK30), you
can just turn off the hoe when not used to restore your full 2700psi to
the FEL.

I am also concerned about how good a hoe is that is not set to about
2500psi. It's an indication of how strong the manufacturer thinks his
hoe is. One that is specced for only 2100 is not likely to be designed
to be as robust (unless they use larger cylinders).

 

[Gittyup]

I read this as those specs related to when using the PTO hydraulic pump(s). These might be lower to accomodate a greater range of PTO HPs???

If it's just the recommended pressure to achieve the spec'd forces, I would be concerned about putting something rated for 2400 or so behind a 2700+ PSI tractor. I'd at least discuss this with the BH mfr. to make sure nothing will break.

I still don't see that the Woods is all that much better than the Rhino to justify any great lengths to make it work and the associated warranty risks. The Rhino I have on mine already tosses the tractor around pretty good. So, I don't think one could gain a whole lot with more power without adding a lot more weight to tractor. The only thing that does not overpower the tractor weight is the swing when used to scrape dirt into a hole by pushing with the side of the bucket, which is probably a good thing else the tractor could be wagged by the backhoe - hard on the frame I'd think.

 

[IslandTractor]

I still don't see that the Woods is all that much better than the Rhino to justify any great lengths to make it work and the associated warranty risks.

I agree and it really isn't a comment on the Rhino brand especially since the OP compared an 8ft Woods to a 7ft Rhino. I'd imagine both companies produce fine products. The issue seems to be more that BC will only mount a 7ft BH on the CT230 and there has been enough experience with CK30's and BH80x match ups to know that you can safely put a bigger BH on. Still, I agree with your point that most people would be happy with a 7ft BH on a 30hp tractor and that the incrimental difference going up to the 8ft hoe would not justify the risk of warranty etc. I was thrilled with my 6ft BH on my CK20. Got a lot of work done.

 

[dfkrug]

If it's just the recommended pressure to achieve the spec'd forces, I would be concerned about putting something rated for 2400 or so behind a 2700+ PSI tractor. I'd at least discuss this with the BH mfr. to make sure nothing will break.

You can't hurt a hoe with a 2500psi RV by putting it on a tractor putting
out higher pressure. The hoe RV protects the hoe and the manufacturer
specs his forces at the hoe's RV pressure. You can even put these
compact hoes on much bigger tractors putting out 3000psi, without
problems. At PTO pump has no separate RV, and is only limited by
the hoe RV.

A quick spec check shows that the BH70X is specced at only 2030psi, and
the Bradco 3375 is only 2100psi. I don't see bigger cyls on them, so
the are designed for much smaller forces.

I think the BH80X and the Rhino/BC 8 hoes are stronger and better suited
to the CT230. Both are a bit lighter than the Prairie Dog hoe on my CK,
however.

 

[galaxie428]

I don't disagree that since Rick mentioned that the BC hoe is a rebranded/painted Rhino that it is the safe bet to go with, however I am also looking at price. So far I have not been able to find a Rhino BH for the cost of the Woods BH. Even one of the smaller Rhino's are still more than the BH80X this guy has.

I have read reviews about both BH's and both have gotten good reviews so I don't think one is better than the other but again it comes down to price.

I am still looking around though and getting prices so who knows what I may end up with. Also just between us, I have not mentioned my plan to the wife. That right there may put a stop to things!

 

[IslandTractor]

Also just between us, I have not mentioned my plan to the wife. That right there may put a stop to things!

Ask SWMBO if she'd like any new gardens dug or trees planted, bushes moved, rock wall built etc. Get her thinking about digging projects and suggest you work on them together with pick and shovel before you ever bring up the purchase of a piece of machinery. When you do mention the BH point out well before discussing cost that it will allow you to accomplish the tasks while she sips ice tea on the porch and directs you. When discussing cost, lie. It's easy to forget about buckets, subframe etc on the initial quote. You can add the subframe cost later when she understands it will be better for the tractor. The bucket you can just claim was an oversight. Lie, lie, lie. Otherwise you will be using that pick and shovel alone now that you've introduced the project ideas.

 

[Gittyup]

The BC loader is mid-mounted, like the CK's FEL, so I would be surprised
if a hoe subframe for the CK would not fit that for the CT. I have not
seen the subframe from Rhino, Woods, or Bradco, however. The bigger
BCs, like the CT335 use an FEL that has a subframe that extends
rearward...totally different.

As for specs and fitment, BC's hoe would be the easiest path to take,
but be careful with specs. Digging depth is standard, but other specs
are hard to compare. Manufacturers don't always give hyd pressure
requirements....don't get a hoe that is designed for less than 2500psi.
Your tractor can do 8.3 GPM at 2711 psi, assuming the RV is set
correctly.

I wasn't thinking about RV setting, just max specs at max pressure without regard for relief valve protection, which probably is the wrong way to look at it as its doubtfully ever spec'd that way. You are right, its RV should be designed to protect it from any extra pressure, assuming it is set that way. Still makes no sense to put more hoe on a tractor that can't use it (weight wise).

My Rhino is 7'6", not 7', which is even less of a difference from the 80X. Not sure if that is what BC is still using. However, I'm a big fan of maximum reach, as it makes jobs easier and quicker ....but not at the risk of voiding warranty.

 

[VictorW]

I don't disagree that since Rick mentioned that the BC hoe is a rebranded/painted Rhino that it is the safe bet to go with, however I am also looking at price. So far I have not been able to find a Rhino BH for the cost of the Woods BH. Even one of the smaller Rhino's are still more than the BH80X this guy has.

I have read reviews about both BH's and both have gotten good reviews so I don't think one is better than the other but again it comes down to price.

I am still looking around though and getting prices so who knows what I may end up with. Also just between us, I have not mentioned my plan to the wife. That right there may put a stop to things!

I would have no worries putting that BH80x on my CK30hst. My Kioti 2375, 7.5 footer, doesn't beat up the tractor unless you purposefully tried to. Both Rhino and Woods are good hoes. Regardless of either brand and after using mine, I'd go for an 8 footer over the 7. And the price mentioned is good.

Once the bh arrives, what can she say...take it back. You may have to cook a few of your own dinners but once she sees what you can do with it, you'll be back in her good graces. (unproven wishes for you)

 

[galaxie428]

Can I ask what SWMBO means? I have been trying to think what it stands for but can't come up with anything.

She is pretty tight when it comes to money, must be the accountant in her. But that is why we have a yours, mine and ours account! The ours account is for bills and anything to do with the house and while you would think that the tractor and hoe which are used for grounds maint would fall into that category, is somehow was not approved by corporate. If I wanted it, corporate said I had to pay for it out of my account!

You do make a good point about only telling her part of the price though. $5200 doesn't sound too bad for a hoe but then when you start adding the subframe and the hydraulic thumb and possible an extra bucket the price starts getting up there.

Maybe I should start off by telling her that I have been sleeping with a younger woman and then the news about the hoe might not sound too bad. Of course that may depend on if I make it through the first part!

 

[IslandTractor]

Can I ask what SWMBO means?

She who must be obeyed!:confused2::laughing:

 

[wallace]

I would have no worries putting that BH80x on my CK30hst. My Kioti 2375, 7.5 footer, doesn't beat up the tractor unless you purposefully tried to. Both Rhino and Woods are good hoes. Regardless of either brand and after using mine, I'd go for an 8 footer over the 7. And the price mentioned is good.

Once the bh arrives, what can she say...take it back. You may have to cook a few of your own dinners but once she sees what you can do with it, you'll be back in her good graces. (unproven wishes for you)

OMG
Vic do you realize what a backhoe can be used for?? One word..GRAVE!

 

[IslandTractor]

OMG
Vic do you realize what a backhoe can be used for?? One word..GRAVE!

And Mr. Wallace, I imagine you know that from close calls yourself with Mrs. Tractor.

 

[VictorW]

OMG
Vic do you realize what a backhoe can be used for?? One word..GRAVE!

I guess if your life insurance is paid up, you really have to start to worry. But I did write a disclaimer! :laughing:

 

[wallace]

And Mr. Wallace, I imagine you know that from close calls yourself with Mrs. Tractor.

:ashamed::ashamed:

 

[galaxie428]

I think I just about have the wife convinced to buy one even thought she still doesn't think we need one. But, she has agreed there will be no divorce over it if I do.

I am looking at an additional 9" bucket to go along with the 18" that comes standard on it. I think the 9" would come in handy for trenches to run drain pipe or wires or stuff like that. What are your thoughts?

I am also trying to decide if I would use the additional hydraulic thumb. It seems like a nice to have but is it $980worth of nice to have? For those of you that have them, do you use them much? What do you use them for?