CT230 backhoe?

[wallace]

I am almost positive that the Woods Kioti sub frame will bolt right up on the 2 series Bobcats.
I did not do this yet however we will being doing it in a week or so a soon as I get some Bobcat loaders in.
Then I can give you a definite answer.
Now I know that the Woods Kioti sub frames for the larger 3 and 4 series Bobcats will not bolt up without modifications.

In your prices especially the one from ebay...don't forget to add a bucket, hydraulics, and the sub frame if any of that is not included already.

I have 1 black 80X that I am going to have to move out and I can do a complete package for $6,855.
If you have a rear remote on your Bobcat already then I can do it for $6,500.
Plus shipping.
Just giving you an idea.
Now remember there is only 1 at this price.
Woods has had 2 price increases since I got this hoe.
By the way this is one of the newer ones that has the factory thumb mount on it.

The Woods 90X is still a much larger hoe than the Rhino 85.

 

[Gittyup]

I thought someone mentioned that the Woods BH might interfere with the BC loader? I guess Rick will let us know shortly.

 

[galaxie428]

I am almost positive that the Woods Kioti sub frame will bolt right up on the 2 series Bobcats.
I did not do this yet however we will being doing it in a week or so a soon as I get some Bobcat loaders in.
Then I can give you a definite answer.

Yes, I would be interested to know what you find out also. I sure hate to buy something that is not going to bolt up to my tractor. I guess worse case is I have to take it somewhere to have the bracket modified. I have a Lincoln Electric 175HD welder but I would have to think that the thickness of the metal on the subframe is bigger than what it would handle.

I really appreciate your help, especially since you have experience with both Kioti and BC.

I also sent you a PM Rick.

 

[dfkrug]

I thought someone mentioned that the Woods BH might interfere with the BC loader?

The BC loader is mid-mounted, like the CK's FEL, so I would be surprised
if a hoe subframe for the CK would not fit that for the CT. I have not
seen the subframe from Rhino, Woods, or Bradco, however. The bigger
BCs, like the CT335 use an FEL that has a subframe that extends
rearward...totally different.

As for specs and fitment, BC's hoe would be the easiest path to take,
but be careful with specs. Digging depth is standard, but other specs
are hard to compare. Manufacturers don't always give hyd pressure
requirements....don't get a hoe that is designed for less than 2500psi.
Your tractor can do 8.3 GPM at 2711 psi, assuming the RV is set
correctly.

 

[galaxie428]

As for specs and fitment, BC's hoe would be the easiest path to take,
but be careful with specs. Digging depth is standard, but other specs
are hard to compare. Manufacturers don't always give hyd pressure
requirements....don't get a hoe that is designed for less than 2500psi.
Your tractor can do 8.3 GPM at 2711 psi, assuming the RV is set
correctly.

In looking at both Rhino and Woods, I don't see that either one of them has 2500psi or more. They are both close, something like 2470psi for the Woods. What happens with a lower PSI than 2500?

 

[dfkrug]

In looking at both Rhino and Woods, I don't see that either one of them has 2500psi or more. They are both close, something like 2470psi for the Woods. What happens with a lower PSI than 2500?

Some hoes are specced at only 2100 or so. The biggest issue is if
your hoe is connected to a "power beyond" type connection. That
would limit your FEL to whatever pressure your hoe RV is set to. That
can cheat you out of lots of force that you paid for. On the other hand,
if you use detented work ports on your AUX valves (I do on my CK30), you
can just turn off the hoe when not used to restore your full 2700psi to
the FEL.

I am also concerned about how good a hoe is that is not set to about
2500psi. It's an indication of how strong the manufacturer thinks his
hoe is. One that is specced for only 2100 is not likely to be designed
to be as robust (unless they use larger cylinders).

 

[Gittyup]

I read this as those specs related to when using the PTO hydraulic pump(s). These might be lower to accomodate a greater range of PTO HPs???

If it's just the recommended pressure to achieve the spec'd forces, I would be concerned about putting something rated for 2400 or so behind a 2700+ PSI tractor. I'd at least discuss this with the BH mfr. to make sure nothing will break.

I still don't see that the Woods is all that much better than the Rhino to justify any great lengths to make it work and the associated warranty risks. The Rhino I have on mine already tosses the tractor around pretty good. So, I don't think one could gain a whole lot with more power without adding a lot more weight to tractor. The only thing that does not overpower the tractor weight is the swing when used to scrape dirt into a hole by pushing with the side of the bucket, which is probably a good thing else the tractor could be wagged by the backhoe - hard on the frame I'd think.

 

[IslandTractor]

I still don't see that the Woods is all that much better than the Rhino to justify any great lengths to make it work and the associated warranty risks.

I agree and it really isn't a comment on the Rhino brand especially since the OP compared an 8ft Woods to a 7ft Rhino. I'd imagine both companies produce fine products. The issue seems to be more that BC will only mount a 7ft BH on the CT230 and there has been enough experience with CK30's and BH80x match ups to know that you can safely put a bigger BH on. Still, I agree with your point that most people would be happy with a 7ft BH on a 30hp tractor and that the incrimental difference going up to the 8ft hoe would not justify the risk of warranty etc. I was thrilled with my 6ft BH on my CK20. Got a lot of work done.

 

[dfkrug]

If it's just the recommended pressure to achieve the spec'd forces, I would be concerned about putting something rated for 2400 or so behind a 2700+ PSI tractor. I'd at least discuss this with the BH mfr. to make sure nothing will break.

You can't hurt a hoe with a 2500psi RV by putting it on a tractor putting
out higher pressure. The hoe RV protects the hoe and the manufacturer
specs his forces at the hoe's RV pressure. You can even put these
compact hoes on much bigger tractors putting out 3000psi, without
problems. At PTO pump has no separate RV, and is only limited by
the hoe RV.

A quick spec check shows that the BH70X is specced at only 2030psi, and
the Bradco 3375 is only 2100psi. I don't see bigger cyls on them, so
the are designed for much smaller forces.

I think the BH80X and the Rhino/BC 8 hoes are stronger and better suited
to the CT230. Both are a bit lighter than the Prairie Dog hoe on my CK,
however.

 

[galaxie428]

I don't disagree that since Rick mentioned that the BC hoe is a rebranded/painted Rhino that it is the safe bet to go with, however I am also looking at price. So far I have not been able to find a Rhino BH for the cost of the Woods BH. Even one of the smaller Rhino's are still more than the BH80X this guy has.

I have read reviews about both BH's and both have gotten good reviews so I don't think one is better than the other but again it comes down to price.

I am still looking around though and getting prices so who knows what I may end up with. Also just between us, I have not mentioned my plan to the wife. That right there may put a stop to things!