Corona Virus #7

[Industrial Toys]

Funny. I NEVER use bleach for anything, but realize I have a jug from Y2K. Good to know!

 

[cqaigy2]

Correct, the bodies immune system throws everything but the kitchen sink at the damage in the lungs all at one, called a cytokine storm, and the immune system does more damage to the lungs than the virus does leading to death.

I was watching a MedCram and it mentioned a number of studies dealing with changes in the Innate immune functions, the correlation to increased levels of innate immune components i.e. macrophages etc. and decreased effects of the corona virus. The take away i got from it was looks like this corona v2 is suppressing innate immune response and the more it was able to suppress it, the worse the out come for the patient. The other thing mentioned was the effect of increased body temp like if you got a fever, the body produce more of the components of the innate immune system. Another was inducing increased body core temp, then cooling also had an added additional benefit, which lead to Finnish sauna and looking at different countries with similar, like Japan and numbers of severe cases to number of know cases. It seemed to me, that there was at least as much likely hood, if not more then what i read in those in vitro studies of Zithromax and Hydroxychloroquine. As a "youngster" i remember being around some crazy Finns in Michigan, and got introduced to Finnish sauna. Hotter the heck then into the ice water. It left a last impression on me.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Supposedly the "EXPERTS" saw this coming. Not a question of IF but when.

On the other side of the coin, the same could be said for Earthquakes, Super Volcanos, Solar Flares and asteroids impacting the earth. I guess we should stop spending money on useless BLING and start prepping.

Let's hope Yellow Stone does not blow for a while and take out a few states. We got Yellow Stone checked off back in 2011.

Huge chunk of Yellowstone National Park, the size of Chicago, is 'breathing' in and out | Daily Mail Online

 

[IslandTractor]

This should be mandatory for anyone serving the public in any capacity...(at least the temperature part)

Walmart to deploy temperature checks, masks and gloves to all employees nationwide - CBS News

The temperature checks won't really work for a viral disease that is infectious for a few days before a patient even has symptoms. Besides, those temperature guns are horribly inaccurate. It's just for show. Gloves and masks can be useful.

It would make more sense to just minimally staff the stores and do restocking at night when the store can be closed. That would keep the employees more isolated. The check out people can be isolated by putting up plexiglass shields. Our local grocery store chain has done that. Doesn't really complicate transactions at all in this cashless era.

 

[Pixguy]

A Minnesota trooper pulled over a doctor for speeding. Then he gave her his N95 medical masks

A Minnesota state trooper moved a doctor to tears when he turned what should have been a speeding ticket into a heartwarming act of kindness.

 

[Industrial Toys]

That's still a lot of people interacting amoung co-workers, then going home and interacting with family who might themselves have been out working or shopping.

I go to the grocery store and think about not even wanting to breath the air in there.

 

[Pixguy]

That's still a lot of people interacting amoung co-workers, then going home and interacting with family who might themselves have been out working or shopping.

Yes, my son is a LEO and trying to stay safe and not bringing anything home to his family.

Many in his shoes. His state reported to the pd who in town has been tested positive. 5 in his town.

 

[shooterdon]

Supposedly the "EXPERTS" saw this coming. Not a question of IF but when.

On the other side of the coin, the same could be said for Earthquakes, Super Volcanos, Solar Flares and asteroids impacting the earth. I guess we should stop spending money on useless BLING and start prepping.

Prepping is not as expensive as most think. IMHO, people who do not prep are fools who deserve the consequences of their choices.

Preppers are not the idiots rushing to Costco to get shopping carts full of TP. We are not descending on gun stores. We are prepared

Preppers are not the nuts and flakes you see on TV.

If everyone had a 2 month supply of stuff, there would be far less panic. So yes, people need to stop buying bling and be responsible. I know poor people with months of food put away. I know people making $80k with a week of food.

 

[ultrarunner]

The temperature checks won't really work for a viral disease that is infectious for a few days before a patient even has symptoms. Besides, those temperature guns are horribly inaccurate. It's just for show. Gloves and masks can be useful.

It would make more sense to just minimally staff the stores and do restocking at night when the store can be closed. That would keep the employees more isolated. The check out people can be isolated by putting up plexiglass shields. Our local grocery store chain has done that. Doesn't really complicate transactions at all in this cashless era.

Yes... just received thermometers and no too read the same... disappointing.

The idea was quick temp reads...

We use to use IVacs under the tongue but got rid of them because took too long.

 

[/pine]

Yes... just received thermometers and no too read the same... disappointing.

The idea was quick temp reads...

We use to use IVacs under the tongue but got rid of them because took too long.

Is there no way to calibrate them with a mercury thermometer etc.??

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The local hospital has started shooting forehead temps and all employees have to enter through ER. Because a good number of people never look or act sick makes detecting this virus much harder. They were doing under the tongue thing but that took to long.

The hospital parking lot filled up today with people that showed up and stayed in their cars to pray for the staff. I know seeing healthcare workers daily on TV that did not survive the virus in the process of trying to save others is painful for all.

When I drop off the wife I try to remember to act like it is the last time we may speak because of the no visitor policy.

I waved at the 76 year old guy that I am his guardian the other day. Ted grew up without speech or hearing, has COPD and sleeps with oxygen so if the virus gets in that care facility it is not going to be good. They are on total lock down and through the window you could see the fear on their faces not knowing what the future holds. One lady was walking around with some kind of rag in her hand and holding it over her nose and mouth.

I was never in a shooting war but I am sure for some these times are like the unknowns of war.

 

[/pine]

The temperature checks won't really work for a viral disease that is infectious for a few days before a patient even has symptoms. Besides, those temperature guns are horribly inaccurate. It's just for show. Gloves and masks can be useful.

It would make more sense to just minimally staff the stores and do restocking at night when the store can be closed. That would keep the employees more isolated. The check out people can be isolated by putting up plexiglass shields. Our local grocery store chain has done that. Doesn't really complicate transactions at all in this cashless era.

I understand about asymptomatic cases or phases but there will always be people that will go to work even though they think they have a cold or hay fever etc...anyone with even a slightly elevated temperature and trying to work with the public should be collared...(double tap)

 

[D2Cat]

Yes... just received thermometers and no too read the same... disappointing.

The idea was quick temp reads...

We use to use IVacs under the tongue but got rid of them because took too long.

Now wait a minute folks, where are these things manufactured? Why can't the ones you swipe the forehead with be used. They seem more accurate then the infrared ones.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I knew very rich people who don't have a working flashlight in the house, and some in particular that demand that the systems in place serve them no matter what.

My lady friend had a contractor cordon off the playground in one of the condos she manages and immediately the residents complain!

 

[ultrarunner]

Is there no way to calibrate them with a mercury thermometer etc.??

Digital proximity for use on people... I think it is just the way they are made.

The medical suppliers are backordered so the Admin bought these on Amazon.

My Sears Craftsman with laser pointer is much better but I can't start zapping people entering the Hospital with a Craftsman Thermometer.

 

[ultrarunner]

Now wait a minute folks, where are these things manufactured? Why can't the ones you swipe the forehead with be used. They seem more accurate then the infrared ones.

They don't want contact...

 

[tallyho8]

We didn't defeat The Axis with rubber gloves, paper masks and tape on floors.

No? Then why do these photos exist?

 

[Wagtail]

Checking in from FORTRESS TASMANIA (Wednesday, 1 Apr, 1324). Lost another oldie, 90's y.o. man, which brings Aus up to 20 dead. All of the last three were passengers off of the cruise ship RUBY PRINCESS. Which brings more concern to me as my Aunt is on the MS ZAANDAM, on their way to 'possibly' dock in Florida.

All's well here. 'Stay at home' if you can = essential travel only, but we're not on absolute lockdown. Wednesday is In To Town Day and everything went smoothly; Chemist for prescriptions - no problem, Post Office = parcel deliveries no delay, Petrol Station for 20ltr jerry can = price is down 9 cents from the previous week(!) and diesel is coming down in price too, Bottle-O for a couple bottles of Riesling = fully stocked and, finally, Groceries = absolutely everything on my list!

I may have mentioned in the previous threads that TP has always been available, just not the plethora of varieties & quantities (4,6,8,12,etc...). I've avoided buying any as I've got enough to last a while and thought I'd be patient and wait until my 'brand' showed up on the shelves. That day was today, although I did feel somewhat embarrassed because it only came in an 18 roll package... that's enough to probably last me until Christmas.

 

[ultrarunner]

I've wondered if it gets bad enough of anyone will attempt to jump ship...

Know a person that did or at least said he did that in Bali back in his service days...

 

[CalG]

I've wondered if it gets bad enough of anyone will attempt to jump ship...

Know a person that did or at least said he did that in Bali back in his service days...

If they do, I hope they have done "The Mile Swim" when they were in boy scouts!