Corona Virus #6

[CalG]

It remains a puzzle to me how anyone can point blame at the speech and actions of others when considering preparedness for the covid-19 situation.

With the "instant NEWS cycle", each of us had the same information as any of us. And that includes government representatives world wide.

Why didn't EACH of us put up a supply of masks and rubber gloves? Why didn't each of us have food enough in our pantries? Why do EACH of us not protect ourselves? etc.

Certainly each of us can find lots of room to fault those who try to deny/ dismiss/ ignore and cover up their own previous misguided actions. Those who do for political position should be hung by the short hairs. Circumstances change, move on. We need to work together. Fault finding isn't going to get us anywhere.

 

[D2Cat]

Very familiar with those reports. Unfortunately they really are pretty much useless in assessing whether chloroquine or azithromycin are helpful at all. The way to determine that would be to randomly assign patients to receive either the experimental treatment or a placebo and then follow for outcome. They didn't do that. They didn't even use very ill patients with a high expected mortality. The outcome therefore is likely to be no different for the patients who were given the experimental drugs than what would have been expected with no therapy.

I'm sure there are good studies underway now (or starting shortly) and we'll just have to wait a while for results. It shouldn't take long to do an appropriate blinded placebo controlled trial in someplace like NYC or NOLA given the number of new infected patients each day.

I feel bad for the poor guy who died after taking aquarium pills when he got excited by what POTUS was shooting from the hip about in his daily briefing a few days ago. That is exactly why hypotheses should NOT be touted by politicians before being evaluated by scientists. We don't need 18 months to answer this particular question by the way....it should take a total of about 500 patients followed for a few weeks to give a preliminary useful answer in this setting. A few weeks might seem like a long time but it is really quite quick. Otherwise you might as well shoot at a dart board or flip a coin.

Blame it on somebody, it sure wasn't because the man and his wife have good reading comprehension or listening skills! Surely they are not responsible for what they put in their mouth.

If someone is dumb enough to take the pills used to treat fish parasites for their own fear on contracting a virus, I hope they don't have any heart problems and advised to take Warfarin. They may go out to their garage and chew on a chunk of rat poison. I mean an anticoagulant is an anticoagulant! The containers say not for human consumption.

 

[txdon]

Island tractor, thanks for the additional info on the unconfirmed John's Hopkins report. I don't like it when someone's daughter is quoted because you never can verify because of a married name. It did get me to search the living or no living aspect of a virus which is defined differently in multiple sources. One good thing it did give me the image of little fat balls on my hands and how to scrub to get them dissolved/off. Keep up the good editing.

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^^
That's where they lost me, and I stopped reading that post. My nephew is a respected researcher in pulmonary and critical care; yet that doesn't make me any more of an expert than my dog who is laying outside enjoying the swindling snow.
Heck, I barely know what his area of expertise means!

 

[CalG]

"laying outside enjoying the swindling snow."

I truly chuckled at that imagery. ;-)

swindling snow..... love it!

 

[Citydude]

As usual your linked article’s “sensationalized headline” doesn’t match the contents of the article.

Maybe you should read beyond the headline occasionally ... before making your snarky comments?

I gave up on him. Purely a copy and paste expert with little substance.

 

[California]

Researchers conclude Coronavirus jumped from nature to humans and didn't originate in a lab.

It was clear 殿lmost overnight that the virus wasn稚 human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. 敵enetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone, Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

典his is not a virus somebody would have conceived of and cobbled together. It has too many distinct features, some of which are counterintuitive, Garry says. 添ou wouldn稚 do this if you were trying to make a more deadly virus.

 

[rswyan]

Researchers conclude Coronavirus jumped from nature to humans and didn't originate in a lab.

No !

You mean it wasn't a Chicom bio-weapon they ginned up to "git" us ?

 

[YanmarFever]

No !

You mean it wasn't a Chicom bio-weapon they ginned up to "git" us ?

Come on randall, you know that we were sprayed by jets leaving contrails...

 

[CalG]

The SARs CoV-2 is just an accident.

Who ya' gonna' call?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

And some never read beyond the hyped headline?

That would be your problem I'm guessing.

 

[k0ua]

I didn稚 mean my comment as a criticism. Nobody can accurately estimate Coronavirus mortality yet. Even the widely quoted CDC data on annual influenza mortality for years past is just an estimate with a wide confidence interval of tens of thousands of cases. My point is simply that we just cannot tell what our mortality rate will be and importantly it is nearly impossible to accurately compare one country to another.

Ok, let go over this and you may or may not know these answers. What we don't know is how many people have this disease and never present themselves for testing. I doubt anyone knows this figure. BUT we do know how many people we have tested and from what I have seen the number of people tested that show symptoms something like 90 percent have something else not covid19. So lets say we have 1000 that test positive for covid 19 that is our nice round number for the following "guesses". I have seen it said that 80 percent of positives are turned away and let go back home to recuperate on their own as they are doing fairly well on their own. So we take 20% into hospitalizations. And please comment if any of these generalizations are way off. So 200 people into the hospital. Of that 200 about 25 (or so) percent need to go on the ventilator. So 50 people on the vent in ICU. Now this next part I have NEVER seen any figures and I hope you can enlighten us here. I THINK, but do not know that about 50 percent never come off of the vent alive. So 25 dead people out of your 1000 that were tested positive. We still don't know how may had the disease to begin with of course. If you could shed any light on these numbers that would be great doc.

 

[/pine]

At this point what difference does it make??...the numbers are quite different from state to state regardless of the number of cases reported...

 

[Steppenwolfe]

At this point what difference does it make??...the numbers are quite different from state to state regardless of the number of cases reported...

H3ll... At this point it's apparent we don't know hardly anything. A family friend MD told us this will hit 80% of Americans before it is over. So... :confused3:

 

[California]

At this point what difference does it make??...the numbers are quite different from state to state regardless of the number of cases reported...

I think the regional differences are just different progress along that same curve, ie first/tenth/hundredth death occurs later in some of the more isolated areas. Seems to me those are areas where social isolation might be the most effective to protect the residents because they have a better forecast of what lies ahead for them.

 

[k0ua]

Uh-huh ...

From the article, a direct quote of Governor Dewine:

The point is Randall, is you approach EVERY headline with a political agenda. Heck your whole reason for rejoining this side of the forum and leaving FP is because of your political agenda. Your such a "political animal" and you are SO driven by that agenda you become tiresome. If you weren't restrained by the rules over here you would have a lot more to say than just a few snarky comments. You saw a "shiny new object" over here started rather innocently I might add by someone wanting more regional information, BUT you had to get your sides "info" and "truth" and fight any complementary quotes or information that put the administration in a good light. You remind me of the mainstream media asking questions every day.

You feel it is your job to "set us straight" and give us "the benefit of your superior knowledge". The problem is you never present a "fair and balanced" perspective. And that is too bad. Obviously you are well read and intelligent. We all get that. But you are so one sided and so predictable that it just wears after a while. You are not as good of an "influencer" as you think you are. Aside from someone thinking you "are saving lives" over here, you are also really turning off people to your point of view.

A really good propagandist, takes the other side occasionally to seem fair and then moves in for the "kill" when the facts are soundly on their side. So I give your "information" marks a C at best. I realize of course you couldn't "give a rats hat" what I think of your work or anything like that. And I know you will never acknowledge what I am saying is true, because having known you or your persona on this forum for these many years, I know this is not your way.

I am just saying what about 1/2 of the rest of us are thinking. Of course you have your supporters over here and had many more over on the "dark side" I kinda of miss your old "bogeyman" avatar and your "worst nightmare" and all of that because it truly fit you and told your story.

 

[Citydude]

The point is Randall, is you approach EVERY headline with a political agenda. Heck your whole reason for rejoining this side of the forum and leaving FP is because of your political agenda. Your such a "political animal" and you are SO driven by that agenda you become tiresome. If you weren't restrained by the rules over here you would have a lot more to say than just a few snarky comments. You saw a "shiny new object" over here started rather innocently I might add by someone wanting more regional information, BUT you had to get your sides "info" and "truth" and fight any complementary quotes or information that put the administration in a good light. You remind me of the mainstream media asking questions every day.

You feel it is your job to "set us straight" and give us "the benefit of your superior knowledge". The problem is you never present a "fair and balanced" perspective. And that is too bad. Obviously you are well read and intelligent. We all get that. But you are so one sided and so predictable that it just wears after a while. You are not as good of an "influencer" as you think you are. Aside from someone thinking you "are saving lives" over here, you are also really turning off people to your point of view.

A really good propagandist, takes the other side occasionally to seem fair and then moves in for the "kill" when the facts are soundly on their side. So I give your "information" marks a C at best. I realize of course you couldn't "give a rats hat" what I think of your work or anything like that. And I know you will never acknowledge what I am saying is true, because having known you or your persona on this forum for these many years, I know this is not your way.

I am just saying what about 1/2 of the rest of us are thinking. Of course you have your supporters over here and had many more over on the "dark side" I kinda of miss your old "bogeyman" avatar and your "worst nightmare" and all of that because it truly fit you and told your story.

Thank you James.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

The point is Randall, is you approach EVERY headline with a political agenda. Heck your whole reason for rejoining this side of the forum and leaving FP is because of your political agenda. Your such a "political animal" and you are SO driven by that agenda you become tiresome. If you weren't restrained by the rules over here you would have a lot more to say than just a few snarky comments. You saw a "shiny new object" over here started rather innocently I might add by someone wanting more regional information, BUT you had to get your sides "info" and "truth" and fight any complementary quotes or information that put the administration in a good light. You remind me of the mainstream media asking questions every day.

You feel it is your job to "set us straight" and give us "the benefit of your superior knowledge". The problem is you never present a "fair and balanced" perspective. And that is too bad. Obviously you are well read and intelligent. We all get that. But you are so one sided and so predictable that it just wears after a while. You are not as good of an "influencer" as you think you are. Aside from someone thinking you "are saving lives" over here, you are also really turning off people to your point of view.

A really good propagandist, takes the other side occasionally to seem fair and then moves in for the "kill" when the facts are soundly on their side. So I give your "information" marks a C at best. I realize of course you couldn't "give a rats hat" what I think of your work or anything like that. And I know you will never acknowledge what I am saying is true, because having known you or your persona on this forum for these many years, I know this is not your way.

I am just saying what about 1/2 of the rest of us are thinking. Of course you have your supporters over here and had many more over on the "dark side" I kinda of miss your old "bogeyman" avatar and your "worst nightmare" and all of that because it truly fit you and told your story.

Totally uncalled for and nothing more than your opinion... Which btw, according to you ... THIS IS JUST THE FLU.

 

[k0ua]

Totally uncalled for and nothing more than your opinion... Which btw, according to you ... THIS IS JUST THE FLU.

Thank you sir! may I have another?

 

[lilranch2001]

The point is Randall, is you approach EVERY headline with a political agenda. Heck your whole reason for rejoining this side of the forum and leaving FP is because of your political agenda. Your such a "political animal" and you are SO driven by that agenda you become tiresome. If you weren't restrained by the rules over here you would have a lot more to say than just a few snarky comments. You saw a "shiny new object" over here started rather innocently I might add by someone wanting more regional information, BUT you had to get your sides "info" and "truth" and fight any complementary quotes or information that put the administration in a good light. You remind me of the mainstream media asking questions every day.

You feel it is your job to "set us straight" and give us "the benefit of your superior knowledge". The problem is you never present a "fair and balanced" perspective. And that is too bad. Obviously you are well read and intelligent. We all get that. But you are so one sided and so predictable that it just wears after a while. You are not as good of an "influencer" as you think you are. Aside from someone thinking you "are saving lives" over here, you are also really turning off people to your point of view.

A really good propagandist, takes the other side occasionally to seem fair and then moves in for the "kill" when the facts are soundly on their side. So I give your "information" marks a C at best. I realize of course you couldn't "give a rats hat" what I think of your work or anything like that. And I know you will never acknowledge what I am saying is true, because having known you or your persona on this forum for these many years, I know this is not your way.

I am just saying what about 1/2 of the rest of us are thinking. Of course you have your supporters over here and had many more over on the "dark side" I kinda of miss your old "bogeyman" avatar and your "worst nightmare" and all of that because it truly fit you and told your story.

:thumbsup: