Comparing Hydraulics?

[Punk]

When Mahindra compares hydraulics, between its 3535 and the Kubota 3240, they lead me to believe that the 3535 has more pump flow to the implement. Am I wrong when I assume the 3240 has more than the 3535?

The 3535 should only have about 6 gpm, for the implement, since it uses 5 of its 11 total for power steering. On the other hand, the 3240 lists more than 11 gpm total and 8.3 for the implement. Is Mahindra fudging the details, or am I missing something? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock the Mahindra tractor, I would like to know for sure before making a long trip to look at a Mahindra tractor.

Here's the comparison, on the Mahindra web site. MahindraUSA 35 Series

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

Punk,
The Mahindra 3535 uses 2 separate pumps the implement pump producing 11 GPM, and the power steering pump producing 5 GPM, totaling 16 GPM. Mahindra doesn't publish the added together figure as the others do, because it really has no value. The 5 GPM pump feeds only the powersteering, and the 11 GPM pump feeds only the hydraulic system. The 16 GPM total figure would sound nice and look good in the advertising, but has no real purpose.

















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[EFC]

When Mahindra compares hydraulics, between its 3535 and the Kubota 3240, they lead me to believe that the 3535 has more pump flow to the implement. Am I wrong when I assume the 3240 has more than the 3535?

The 3535 should only have about 6 gpm, for the implement, since it uses 5 of its 11 total for power steering. On the other hand, the 3240 lists more than 11 gpm total and 8.3 for the implement. Is Mahindra fudging the details, or am I missing something? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock the Mahindra tractor, I would like to know for sure before making a long trip to look at a Mahindra tractor.

Here's the comparison, on the Mahindra web site. MahindraUSA 35 Series

You brought this up in a prior discussion and it was answered.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-buying-pricing/146652-4035-front-end-loader-bh.html

 

[Punk]

Thanks Galen, that helped alot. I guess I'll be taking that trip to a dealer. 11 gpm, for an implement, looks better than any Kubota, Kioti, or Bobcat that I've looked at; and I've looked at many that are much bigger in horse power and price. I've not looked at any that was over 10 gpm, for an implement, although I was up in the 50 to 55 hp range.
Thanks again

 

[Punk]

Thanks to you too, Buck.

 

[flusher]

Thanks Galen, that helped alot. I guess I'll be taking that trip to a dealer. 11 gpm, for an implement, looks better than any Kubota, Kioti, or Bobcat that I've looked at; and I've looked at many that are much bigger in horse power and price. I've not looked at any that was over 10 gpm, for an implement, although I was up in the 50 to 55 hp range.
Thanks again

My 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto) specs out at 10.5 gpm at 2100 rpm engine speed for the main hydraulic pump and 4.8 gpm for the steering pump.

Looks like M&M goosed up the hydraulic specs for that little 35 hp (engine) 3535 compared to the much larger 5525.

Wish my 5525 could get 15-20 gpm out of the main hydraulics so I could use some of the neat skid steer attachments like hydraulic augers.

 

[Tym Man]

Implement Flow is good as long as you don't create heat and your resevoir is large enough to keep the oil cool. I am sure Mahindra took this into account. Are you going to use the tractor for a continuous flow operation like a hydraulic auger? Why do you need so much flow? The 3535 is basically a 40 hp tractor with a 35 hp engine. The 40 hp version is essentially middle of the road for specs all but the flow it has the most flow of any tractor its size that I know of.

 

[Tym Man]

What is the max travel speed of the 35 series mahindras?

 

[Punk]

Implement Flow is good as long as you don't create heat and your resevoir is large enough to keep the oil cool. I am sure Mahindra took this into account. Are you going to use the tractor for a continuous flow operation like a hydraulic auger? Why do you need so much flow?

That's what I was looking at. Using a Hydraulic post hole drill. The minimum for an auger is 10 gpm. I've seen tractors with much less, run one, but I'm looking for a small tractor with as much flow as I can get. I believe anything less than 10 would be a waste of money, as far as an auger is concerned. I hope 11 will do the job.
Thank you all for the imput.

 

[dfkrug]

That's what I was looking at. Using a Hydraulic post hole drill. The minimum for an auger is 10 gpm. I've seen tractors with much less, run one, but I'm looking for a small tractor with as much flow as I can get. I believe anything less than 10 would be a waste of money, as far as an auger is concerned.

If you want to run a hydraulic PHD on a compact tractor, don't buy one
that is intended for a skidsteer. I suggest the Worksaver 714H, which
works fine with 7GPM. I have used them on my backhoe.

Hydraulic specs from the different manufacturers are sometimes difficult
to find. Kudos to Mahindra for not promoting their "total hydraulic flow"
over the correct and separate PS and implement flows. Galen is totally
correct here. I have heard salesmen insist that the "total hyd flow" was
not just marketing. Of course it is. Kioti does not even publish their
implement flow specs, except in their service manual!

Anyway, the implement flow for the 3535 is excellent at 11 GPM, but it
is not really in the same class as the L3240, which is 1000 pounds less
tractor.

 

[EFC]

The 40 hp version is essentially middle of the road for specs.

Please elaborate I really want to hear this.

Buck

 

[Tym Man]

I didn't say that is was below par I just said it is middle of the road

We all agree it has alot of implement flow

Other things standout though
The tractor weight is good compared to Deere and Kubota but the TYM and Kioti out weigh it. Remember they are weighing this tractor with industrial tires everybody elsees weights are usually measured with the Ag tires

It has a 3 cylinder diesel which is strange for a 40 hp tractor. You do see 3 cylinders coming back in larger hps to meet Tier 3 and 4 but most in this size are 4 cylinders

Its PTO hp is about the same as most but the engine hp is rated at 2800 rpm

Mahindra does not list the wheelbase but by the length of the tractor you have to assume it is about 70" which is not bad but by no means close to the best.

The rest of their specs are good but not the best in class.

Overall I think Mahindra did a good job with this series of tractors. No tractor is going to be the best at everything. Their website touts it to be head and shoulders above everything. The 35 hp tractor is going to out spec everything because it is a 40 hp tractor with a 35 hp engine. The 40 hp tractor is very similar in specs to all the other 40 hp tractors that it.

 

[Punk]

If you want to run a hydraulic PHD on a compact tractor, don't buy one
that is intended for a skidsteer. I suggest the Worksaver 714H, which
works fine with 7GPM. I have used them on my backhoe.

Thanks for the tip. I've looked into a few models, and the McMillen specs at 6 to 15. I figured 11gpm is in the middle of the range. Here's a site that carries many of these brands. Including the Worksaver. Iowa Farm Equipment -- McMillen Skid Steer Post-Hole Diggers

 

[EFC]

I didn't say that is was below par I just said it is middle of the road

We all agree it has alot of implement flow

Other things standout though
The tractor weight is good compared to Deere and Kubota but the TYM and Kioti out weigh it. Remember they are weighing this tractor with industrial tires everybody elsees weights are usually measured with the Ag tires

It has a 3 cylinder diesel which is strange for a 40 hp tractor. You do see 3 cylinders coming back in larger hps to meet Tier 3 and 4 but most in this size are 4 cylinders

Its PTO hp is about the same as most but the engine hp is rated at 2800 rpm

Mahindra does not list the wheelbase but by the length of the tractor you have to assume it is about 70" which is not bad but by no means close to the best.

The rest of their specs are good but not the best in class.

Overall I think Mahindra did a good job with this series of tractors. No tractor is going to be the best at everything. Their website touts it to be head and shoulders above everything. The 35 hp tractor is going to out spec everything because it is a 40 hp tractor with a 35 hp engine. The 40 hp tractor is very similar in specs to all the other 40 hp tractors that it.

Looking over the spec sheet between the 433 and the 4035 I cant see that much difference. It is a give and take. TYM has a little more hp, Mahindra has more 3 point capacity, TYM has a creeper range and Mahindra has a tighter turning radius. The reason i asked is because if youre saying Mahindra is middle of the road than your saying TYM is the middle of the road.

Of course Mahindra is shouting to the sky that they built the best tractor, what would you like them to say. I dont hear TYM saying anything different. I have owned a T400 and spent real time working the 35 series they both do a great job but it is one thing to bolt an Iseki chassis to a Kubota diesel and quite another to built a tractor from end to end from the ground up. I think they deserve a little credit, they built an engine that meets tier IV without using a turbo or any electronics, from scratch. That is very much not middle of the road.

The funniest thing about the tire comment besides it was ridiculous is the 433 on your web site has both industrial and ag tires. You should use that "TYM...R1...R4....heck we use them both...at the same time, NOBODY does that". I would be TYM's way of turning it up to 11.