Compact Utility Market Share Numbers - Anybody have Facts or Guesses?

[MessickFarmEqu]

what constitutes a tractor in 3rd world countries can also be darn close to a walk behind rototiller. People in near poverty are not buying the same kinda stuff we do.

 

[jenkinsph]

what constitutes a tractor in 3rd world countries can also be darn close to a walk behind rototiller. People in near poverty are not buying the same kinda stuff we do.

I agree^^^^

 

[ovrszd]

what constitutes a tractor in 3rd world countries can also be darn close to a walk behind rototiller. People in near poverty are not buying the same kinda stuff we do.

Yep, that was a part of my point earlier. I've saw a lot of "tractors" in Far East countries like that.

 

[tman1020]

I'm not sure how you could ever get an accurate reading. With everybody making tractors for everybody else now days. For example LS has there real numbers but then they build tractors for new Holland so do you count LS twice or do you not count LS & only count new Holland for the ones they sell to them or do you not count the new Holland and only count the LS???

What about the Yanmar & DaeDong (kioti)made John Deeres do we take them out of the mix give the credit to Yanmar &DaeDong. Probably should. I believe T YM makes a fairly large share of Mahendra tractors also. So as far as I'm concerned the big boys can say all they want about numbers. But I don't see how they can use that to put down the smaller companies that they're buying the tractors from, just doesn't make sense. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Kubota is on top if you only count compact and subcompact and then only the tractors they produce themselves.

 

[ovrszd]

I'm not sure how you could ever get an accurate reading. With everybody making tractors for everybody else now days. For example LS has there real numbers but then they build tractors for new Holland so do you count LS twice or do you not count LS & only count new Holland for the ones they sell to them or do you not count the new Holland and only count the LS???

What about the Yanmar & DaeDong (kioti)made John Deeres do we take them out of the mix give the credit to Yanmar &DaeDong. Probably should. I believe T YM makes a fairly large share of Mahendra tractors also. So as far as I'm concerned the big boys can say all they want about numbers. But I don't see how they can use that to put down the smaller companies that they're buying the tractors from, just doesn't make sense. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Kubota is on top if you only count compact and subcompact and then only the tractors they produce themselves.

All good points. For me, it just feels better knowing the tractor is entirely made by the company name on the hood.

 

[jenkinsph]

All good points. For me, it just feels better knowing the tractor is entirely made by the company name on the hood.

I agree^^^^
Does Kubota make all their own tractors? That is what I have heard on this forum and if true is a good thing imo.

I would expect all of them have at least some outside vendors for small assemblies and that still provides jobs for the masses.

 

[ovrszd]

I agree^^^^
Does Kubota make all their own tractors? That is what I have heard on this forum and if true is a good thing imo.

I would expect all of them have at least some outside vendors for small assemblies and that still provides jobs for the masses.

I won't say Kubota makes all their own. That would open a heated discussion nitpicking details. I'll say Kubota makes their own powertrain components and hydraulic systems. I would assume they would outsource things such as alternators, starters, radiators, tires/wheels, etc.

My old Ford (1984) is made the same way.

My little JD2210 on the other hand is outsourced. I've not ran across any powertrain component that is stamped JD.

 

[jenkinsph]

I won't say Kubota makes all their own. That would open a heated discussion nitpicking details. I'll say Kubota makes their own powertrain components and hydraulic systems. I would assume they would outsource things such as alternators, starters, radiators, tires/wheels, etc.

My old Ford (1984) is made the same way.

My little JD2210 on the other hand is outsourced. I've not ran across any powertrain component that is stamped JD.

I would agree that the Kubota and Ford were in keeping with idea of being built in house. The Deere you speak of is simply rebadged with their name. As long as the seller makes good on delivery and service over time all is good.

As an example I would put more faith in Goodyear, Michelin and Firestone tires than in Kubota, Ford or Deere branded tires. Some things are better built by others.

 

[ovrszd]

I would agree that the Kubota and Ford were in keeping with idea of being built in house. The Deere you speak of is simply rebadged with their name. As long as the seller makes good on delivery and service over time all is good.

As an example I would put more faith in Goodyear, Michelin and Firestone tires than in Kubota, Ford or Deere branded tires. Some things are better built by others.

Yep. totally agree.

I have no complaints with my JD2210. Got 600 hours on it with nothing but normal maintenance. Great machine. Just always makes me a bit nervous to see these "marriages". Not going to know if they are good or bad for a few years.

And I'm with ya,,,, I'd avoid tires branded with Kubota.

 

[DavesTractor]

There are 1.25 BILLION people in India.

68% India's population is rural.

India has a huge number of small farms.

India, india, INDIA. Mahindra, mahindra, MAHINDRA.

Bingo. I believe India is the largest tractor market by a ways, and Mahindra has a nearly 50% market share and has for years. Mahindra could probably decide to not even count what they sell in the USA market and still be #1 in the world (by tractor count for a single brand). And they build all of those Indian tractors themselves. As far as being #1 in the world, you have to have a good size chunk of the Indian market or you just can't overcome those numbers. And these are real tractors, not walk behind tillers. I am familiar with the 2-wheel third world tractors, and this is not what Mahindra is counting. I will say the Indian market is almost entirely 2wd and sold almost entirely without loaders. It is a different market by far than what we have. In the USA, much of what is sold as Mahindra is built in Japan or Korea, although Mahindra now owns a big chunk of Mitsubishi Ag. I think it is 1/3rd Mahindra ownership now.

Mahindra has the type of market share in India that Kubota has in the USA, but the USA market is smaller. But if you were to calculate $$ of tractors sold, it might reshuffle the deck a little. A typical Kubota in the USA sells for a lot more than a typical Mahindra in India.

The point I try to make to my Mahindra customers, is not that we are biggest or best, because that is all in the way you count. But the point I make is that by any method, Mahindra is substantial and here to stay. It's not another brand that comes and goes in the USA like Montana, Farmtrac and many other decent brands that have faded away. Mahindra & Mahindra is a $17T USD company with nearly 200k employees. They build airplanes for goodness sake.

I've been to some of their factories in India, and they are nice modern factories that churn out a ton of tractors.