CK35 won't start

[Jaybr]

Put the new CK to good work today, spent 4 hours tilling a field at my hunt club to plant for doves, tractor ran great. Brought it home and left on the trailer for a couple hours, went out and my son jumped on started it up and backed it off the trailer and parked it while we unhooked the trailer. Jumped back on the tractor to put it in barn and it won't start.

It turns over fine but acts like it's not getting fire or it's out of fuel, fuel guage reads 1/2 tank.

Tractor only has 14 hours on it, I've only had it a couple weeks and it never sat on dealers lot.

I tried bleeding the fuel line, and I don't have a kill switch.

Any suggestions?

I'm sure my dealer will take care of it, but I've got work to do tomorrow.

 

[DK35vince]

First thing I would ckeck would be the shut down on the side of the fuel pump.See if its flipping on. (a solenoid pushs/pulls a small lever on the side of the fuel pump to shut down the engine).
The solenoid may be sticking for some reason, not letting the engine start.

 

[DK35vince]

It turns over fine but acts like it's not getting fire or it's out of fuel, fuel guage reads 1/2 tank.

Also it wouldn't hurt to look in the fuel tank to make sure the quage is giving you an accurate reading.

 

[Jaybr]

Thanks,

I put some fuel in it last night and that didn't help.

What is the exact procedure for bleeding fuel lines? Book seemed kinda vague, I moved the petcock to "air" and turned the motor over for about 30 seconds, then turned the petcock back to "on" and tried starting.

Is this correct or am I missing something?

 

[bearhawk]

<snip>my son jumped on started it up and backed it off the trailer and parked it while we unhooked the trailer. Jumped back on the tractor to put it in barn and it won't start.</snip>

Just a thought.. Your son didn't shut it down by pulling the manual shut off and leave it out?

Long shot.. But?

 

[Jaybr]

Just a thought.. Your son didn't shut it down by pulling the manual shut off and leave it out?

Long shot.. But?

I thought of that when I saw a mention of "kill switch" in a post. I thought he may have hit in un-intentionally. I checked my manual and it shows the shut off switch just below the key switch, but my tractor just has a plastic plug there.

Is there a manual shut off somewhere else I should check?


BTW: Son is 18 and spent many hours on our old JD790, didn't want anyone to think I had a 10 year old backing tractor off trailer or something.

 

[bearhawk]

It sounds like your Tractor doesn't have the manual shut off. Mine has what looks like a choke cable with a gas pump and a circle with a line through it.

It has to be something simple.

I guess you'll have to call the dealer.

 

[County Sawyer]

There is a manual shut down lever is on the top of the injection pump near the front of the pump towards the radiator. It does not have a spring to keep it on, so it's possible it got moved to stop and stayed there. My tractor has the same set up but has never given trouble although I have checked it to see if it works. It does, but there is no cable or rod on it, Another thought, put your hand on the shutdown solenoid on the front of the injection pump and opereate the key switch on & off without going to the crank position. You should be able to feel the solenoid operate. Be careful as the fan is real close, so don't actually crank the engine. Good luck.

 

[Jaybr]

County, where where you at this morning?

Just went back out to check your reccomendations, and the relay wasn't clicking. I reached under the solenoid and tried to remove the plug but couldn't see well enough in the dark to mess with it. Turned the key again after wiggling the connector and it clicked, tractor started right up and is put away for the night.

I had already checked the shut down lever on top, mine is spring loaded with no cables or anything and with it moved to off the engine won't turn over. I'd also been listening for a click as someone else mentioned, and I was hearing the glow plug relay working.

I guess my evening project this week will be to pull all connectors and fill with dielectric grease.

 

[County Sawyer]

Jaybr,

Actually I couldn't remember whether there was a spring return on the manual shut off or not, but I do know I tried it to make sure that it worked. As for plug in connectors etc., you should coat all surfaces with dielectric grease before reconnecting them as this keeps out any moisture etc. Same goes for installing light bulbs and battery terminals and so on. I don't remember the part number but I got mine from NAPA. You can get an eight ounce can for about 12 bucks. Well worth the money in frustration later. If you need the part number let me know or do a search on the NAPA site. Coat all electric connections. You can't go wrong. Enjoy your tractor.

 

[Jaybr]

Thanks,

I've always got several tubes of dielectric grease handy. We've got 5 atv's and every connector on each of them is filled with the stuff, been using it for years.

I don't think there was any water in this one, but grease will still help.

 

[Jaybr]

Problem is back

I haven't run the tractor in a week, hit 50 hours last time I used it. I went to pull it into the garage to do the 50 hour service and it won't start. The solenoid is not clicking. I pulled the connector, which I filled with dielectric grease after last problem, checked and do have 12 volts on the wire with key on.

I guess the soleniod is sticking and needs to be replaced. I'll be calling the dealer in the morning.

 

[ERE]

Just checked the previous listing and noticed that nobody mentioned the clutch interlock switch. The only time I have a problem with the solonoid not clicking, it was the plug on the clutch interlock switch.

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[Jaybr]

Just checked the previous listing and noticed that nobody mentioned the clutch interlock switch. The only time I have a problem with the solonoid not clicking, it was the plug on the clutch interlock switch.

E

When my clutch isn't in, the motor won't turn over. Solenoids click when I turn on the key, no matter what position the clutch is in.

The wire to the solenoid goes hot when I turn on the key, so it must be the solenoid.

 

[Jaybr]

Dealer had the part overnighted yesterday, but they ordered the wrong solenoid. The solenoid on the front of the injector pump isn't even in the parts manual, went through it myself today.

Dealer called Kioti service and they new exactly which solenoid I needed, seems they got a bad batch and have been seeing some failures recently. They are overnighting me a new one, should be here Monday.

Nice thing is the dealer let me pull the solenoid instead of dragging the whole tractor over. Kioti is shipping the part directly to my house.

 

[DK35vince]

Hope this new soleniod solves your starting problem.
Keep us posted on the results.

 

[virgil]

if it is the new style solenoid, (that mounts INTO - (NOT ON) - the injection pump at the front of the pump), then you can remove the solenoid, hang it over the side or just unplug it, and the engine will start and run. The new style solenoid only kills the engine. with this solonoid, to KILL the engine, you stick your finger in the hole that the solonoid came from and push on a little "button".

I do not recomend opperating the machine with the solonoid removed as you will get dirt and stuff in there.. but it will get you out of a pinch.

 

[Jaybr]

An update to my problem.

The solenoid was replaced with a new one, and that didn't fix the problem. Tractor would start intermittenly, but not reliably. Dealer picked up tractor and kept it a week troubleshooting. They got the tractor starting consistently, I think just pulled connectors and cleaned, nothing was replaced.

I used the tractor last weekend for the first time since getting it back, after about 30 minutes it just shut down as I was driving then started back up fine. In a couple hours of work, it shut down around 30 times. Sometimes when trying to restart, the solenoid at the injector pump would just buzz instead of click open, but I was always able to get it to restart eventually.

Dealer picked the tractor up again Tuesday morning and has replaced several relays per Kioti's instructions, should be back today.

This is the 3rd attempt to fix the same problem in 2 months, hope they get it right this time.

 

[coasterez]

Intermittent electrical problems sure are a PITA. Good luck. Eventually you get it solved for good.

 

[Jaybr]

Dealer brought the tractor back yesterday, took it today to work on some fire roads at my hunt club. Ran great for 3 hours grading the roads, then shut off 3 times on the way back to my truck. All 3 times within 20 minutes just driving down a paved road with rpms around 2k. Started right back up all 3 times, no buzzing solenoids like last week.

Tomorrow I've got a couple hours of tilling to do, we'll see what happens.

At first it was just an anoyance that I knew would get taken care of, now I'm starting to wonder if I made the right purchase decision.