CK series vs DK

[aesmith]

Hi,
I've been eyeing up the CK35xx but started to think maybe I should go up in power a bit. That takes me to the cross over between CK and DK. DK45xx being around 20% more expensive that CK50xx.

As far as I can see the dimensions are similar. The engine looks the same. Could anyone give a quick run down on the differences? And anyone who decided one way or the other, what were the deciding points?

 

[Torvy]

A quick look at 2 similar models on Kioti website...

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The DK is heavier, wider, has more ground clearance, lifts more, has a higher top speed, etc. I compared 2 similar the ck4020seh and the dk 4220seh. Just plug in whatever you are comparing.

 

[ptsg]

The DK series gives you a 16x16 transmission with hydraulic shuttle, while the DK is a 12x12 synchronized shuttle and dry clutch.

The DK series is about 15% bigger and heavier. It also has a wet clutch for the 4WD, which then gives you a switch to select between Auto - Off - On. In Auto it will engage the front axle when you press the brakes so you get braking action on all 4 wheels.

DK series has more hydraulic flow on the main pump, so faster hydraulics than the CK series.

This I can't confirm for Kioti 100%, but it may also be the case as the TYM F/15 series vs the 20 series. The 20 series (equivalent to the DK series) has helicoidal gears for the range gears, while the F/series series (equivalent to the CK series) has straight cut gears. Helicoidal gears are a lot quieter making for a overall quieter transmission.

I'm sure there are a lot more differences more noticeable when checking both models in person. Also, make sure you sit on both to get a feeling for how much space you have and all the controls.

 

[aesmith]

Cheers. I should have said I'm going HST.

 

[aesmith]

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Thanks, I'll see if they have a UK (or EU) version. The spec coming up on that link are quite a bit different to the UK models.

 

[anomad]

Thanks, I'll see if they have a UK (or EU) version. The spec coming up on that link are quite a bit different to the UK models.

I've never run a DK, but my CK3510, while being a fine tractor, is not at all what I would call heavy duty. If you check the loader and 3pt lifting specs of the DK, it is in a different class. I got the CK used for a good deal and it is fine for me. But I'm always questioning my choices when these questions pop up. Feel free to ask me anything about by CK.

 

[kanita78]

I've never run a DK, but my CK3510, while being a fine tractor, is not at all what I would call heavy duty. If you check the loader and 3pt lifting specs of the DK, it is in a different class. I got the CK used for a good deal and it is fine for me. But I'm always questioning my choices when these questions pop up. Feel free to ask me anything about by CK.

I picked my CK up used at a good price, and for what I need it does the job just fine. Still, I’ll admit I sometimes second-guess my decision when threads like this come up. If you’ve got any questions about the CK, feel free to ask—happy to share my experience.

 

[MotorSeven]

I started out with a CK30, traded it in for a DK40 after 2 years. Main reason was FEL lifting capacity which was basically double of the CK. The CK struggled even on smaller 4x4 round bales, the DK does not even grunt on them & picks up 5x5's easy. The DK is now 18 years old....no regrets.

 

[aesmith]

Thanks everyone. For reference I'm coming from a Chinese tractor, branded "Siromer" in the UK but essentially a Jinma 254. Rear lift is claimed 400kg @24" and that's not enough for quite everything.

I don't currently have a loader, but I do want one. Without direct experience it's difficult to guess what capability i need.

My "must haves" compared to the Siromer are hydrostatic transmission, and more PTO power.

 

[IndyJay]

The DK series gives you a 16x16 transmission with hydraulic shuttle, while the DK is a 12x12 synchronized shuttle and dry clutch.

The DK series is about 15% bigger and heavier. It also has a wet clutch for the 4WD, which then gives you a switch to select between Auto - Off - On. In Auto it will engage the front axle when you press the brakes so you get braking action on all 4 wheels.

DK series has more hydraulic flow on the main pump, so faster hydraulics than the CK series.

This I can't confirm for Kioti 100%, but it may also be the case as the TYM F/15 series vs the 20 series. The 20 series (equivalent to the DK series) has helicoidal gears for the range gears, while the F/series series (equivalent to the CK series) has straight cut gears. Helicoidal gears are a lot quieter making for a overall quieter transmission.

I'm sure there are a lot more differences more noticeable when checking both models in person. Also, make sure you sit on both to get a feeling for how much space you have and all the controls.

These are EU specs. The US model has Hi/Lo range with 4 speed or Hydro.

 

[ptsg]

These are EU specs. The US model has Hi/Lo range with 4 speed or Hydro.

The OP is in Scotland, hence why I checked and provided EU specs.

 

[tacticalturnip]

If you're not limited on price or space, I would suggest the DK. I love my CK, however the DK is just more capable.

 

[34Willys]

I agree with TT.
My CK is so nimble through the woods and other tight places that I couldn't fit the DK series.
Of course brush hogging the 9 acre meadow is quite a chore, but most of my work is woods and dirt moving.
If I had mostly needed PTO and pulling power, the DK would be the choice.
Well, to be honest, I'd step up to the NS series in a heartbeat.
I do like the 2610's mechanical fuel system too.

Patrick

 

[PEJ5]

I picked my CK up used at a good price, and for what I need it does the job just fine. Still, I’ll admit I sometimes second-guess my decision when threads like this come up. If you’ve got any questions about the CK, feel free to ask—happy to share my experience.

I'm just the opposite. I was shopping for a CK in 2018 when a good deal on a used 2016 DK5010 popped up and I bought it. It is a beast - thick steel, very strong and not easily broken. Front and rear lift capacity are each about 1200Kg/2640 lbs. Scooping up a load of heavy logs or pallet of lumber with the forks is no problem. The DK is not much longer or wider than the CK, but it's taller, heavier, and when measured with the loader/bucket attached it is a full two feet longer.

 

[aesmith]

Thanks everyone. At the moment I haven't actually seen either yet. The dealer only had CXs on site when I called in. I didn't look too closely as that wasn't an option for me, but it looks as if roughly speaking a CX is more or less similar to the Siromer in terms of build. I'll need to arrange to see CK and DK first hand.

Size is an issue as I use the tractor to move things inside the buildings.

And width, needs to be comfortably narrower than our snowblower.

 

[Torvy]

Thanks everyone. At the moment I haven't actually seen either yet. The dealer only had CXs on site when I called in. I didn't look too closely as that wasn't an option for me, but it looks as if roughly speaking a CX is more or less similar to the Siromer in terms of build. I'll need to arrange to see CK and DK first hand.

Size is an issue as I use the tractor to move things inside the buildings.

And width, needs to be comfortably narrower than our snowblower.

Sorry for assuming North America.

Here's the UK link for the DK 4520H. I didn't notice a comparison option, but you can download the brochure for it and the CK and compare dimensions the old fashioned way.

www.kioti-uk.com/product/dk-4520


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[aesmith]

I worry about bit about these published specs, not sure how accurate they are. For example the CX2510 claims 24.5hp at the PTO, from a 24.8hp engine. That's not correct. I picked that one up because the dealer was offering an ex-rental CX, and that was the figure he had.

And now I see the DK supposedly lifts more at 24" from the pins, than at the pins themselves..

For the CK those figures are 1130, 1030 and 740 (kg)

 

[anomad]

Tractordata.com lists the DK rear lift specs at 1231 kg.

For size reference, my CK on R4 tires is almost exactly 5 feet wide at the rear tires. A little over at maximum sidewall bulge.