CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review?

[Jrasband]

Hello,
i just bought a case ih 585 4wd with a 2250 loader. I have had it for a couple months now. I bought the tractor sight unseen which I regret. My research into the model at the time looked good as I didnt see any negative reviews initially. The thing it seems to have going for it the most is that they seem to be very reliable.

My dad went and looked at it for me as it was a couple hours away and he happened to be in the area.. Wish I would have went and test drove as after I got it and drove it I was turned off at the awkwardness of the ergonomics. The tractor is challenging to shift from gear to gear, It has no shuttle which is really challenging for loader/ grading work. Also it seems as the tractor was made for people at least 6' tall which I am not. Also I can not get the 3pt to stay in a postion its either on its way up or down(possibly this is something that could be fixed?)

It seems to be in pretty good shape other then none of the gauges/ lights working... I am trying to figure that out. It has new front tires, and the tractor was recently repainted. It starts very easily and seems to run good.

I paid $16,000 for it which seemed very high although I have been researching more and more and it seems this is not crazy for todays prices. do y'all think that I could resell the tractor for this amount? Should I keep and contnue to adjust. I am starting to get use to and appreciate it more.

The tractor is for me to mantain 32 acres with 18 in pasture. I have some hilly land that I work. The tractor is needed for various loader work, driveway maitnence, and hay making/square baling.

Does anybody have expierence with the case 585? What are your thoughts/expeirence with it?


Please excuse me if I posted this in the wrong forum, moderators are welcome to move it to appropriate category.

 

[Have tractor did travel]

Only 3% of American cars are sold with manual transmissions. There is a reason for that. If you do much loader work, that transmission is going to wear you out.

The lights/gauges and 3 pt hitch issues are probably easy fixes.

You did not pay too much.

Again, back to the load/transmission issue. If you do a "lot" of loader work, get what you need and sell the tractor (in that order). If not a "lot" of loader work, can you face 15 years of dealing with it ? If you lose $2K, seems not a lot over 15 years.

 

[mo1]

Hello,
i just bought a case ih 585 4wd with a 2250 loader. I have had it for a couple months now. I bought the tractor sight unseen which I regret. My research into the model at the time looked good as I didnt see any negative reviews initially. The thing it seems to have going for it the most is that they seem to be very reliable.

My dad went and looked at it for me as it was a couple hours away and he happened to be in the area.. Wish I would have went and test drove as after I got it and drove it I was turned off at the awkwardness of the ergonomics. The tractor is challenging to shift from gear to gear, It has no shuttle which is really challenging for loader/ grading work. Also it seems as the tractor was made for people at least 6' tall which I am not. Also I can not get the 3pt to stay in a postion its either on its way up or down(possibly this is something that could be fixed?)

It seems to be in pretty good shape other then none of the gauges/ lights working... I am trying to figure that out. It has new front tires, and the tractor was recently repainted. It starts very easily and seems to run good.

I paid $16,000 for it which seemed very high although I have been researching more and more and it seems this is not crazy for todays prices. do y'all think that I could resell the tractor for this amount? Should I keep and contnue to adjust. I am starting to get use to and appreciate it more.

The tractor is for me to mantain 32 acres with 18 in pasture. I have some hilly land that I work. The tractor is needed for various loader work, driveway maitnence, and hay making/square baling.

Does anybody have expierence with the case 585? What are your thoughts/expeirence with it?


Please excuse me if I posted this in the wrong forum, moderators are welcome to move it to appropriate category.

The CaseIH 585 is a 60 HP utility tractor from the early to mid 1980s with a dry clutch synchronized transmission. With the exception of there being a lot of unsynchronized transmission tractors out there during that time period and yours having MFWD which was not yet all that common, your tractor is set up how most utility tractors from the 1960s to the 2000s were set up, and a bunch of them had loaders. It really wasn't until the later 1990s that MFWD became common in utility tractors, and in the 2000s that wet clutch hydraulic reversers became common. Lots of people made small squares with a tractor similar to yours, that is a good sized tractor for that purpose.

Have you ever operated a tractor with a dry clutch transmission before? If not, or not very much, there is a learning curve to be able to operate the clutch smoothly and not miss shifts. With some practice, this kind of transmission is perfectly fine for loader work. If you have used this kind of transmission quite a bit before, and are noticing some specific issue, what is it?

Regarding the 3 point, the simple things to check are that draft control is off, there is enough hydraulic fluid, and that it is not milky or dirty looking. Does it move around with nothing on the 3 point or does it do the same with an implement attached?

As for gauges and lights, first check the fuses to make sure something isn't blown. Then I would look for obviously damaged, modified, or loose wiring.

 

[Jrasband]

I have never operated a dry clutch tractor before. The thing that I have been having some trouble with is shifting gears. It has gotten easier for me so maybe it is user error. It is not easy to shift from gear to gear, especialy from low to high.

I did not know that about the MFWD, or the synchronized transmission. I like the electric switch to turn the MFWD on and off, was surprised to see that it has a switch for that as the other tractors I have used have been much newer yet had a mechanical lever. The MFWD seems very effective and I get the sense that the front wheels are pulling the tractor harder then the back normally do.

I will check to make sure the draft control is off. The fluiddoes looks clear and is topped off. I was not able to get the 3 pt to stay with a spear and round bale on there, though I did not know that the draft control should be off.

The wiring all impears intact, in good condition, and has not been tampered with. The fuses are not blown but do have some rust on the ends. I am going to go through all of the connections and clean them. I have power at the MFWD switch, and the oil light comes on with the key, other than that nothing appears to work. I read a few people have restored power by replacing a 30 amp relay but I have yet to find it.

 

[kwbretired]

Ive owned a case 485 for 30 years. Have had very little probems over ther years, very reliable. Mice have had their way with the wiring. None of my gauges work either. I just can’t kill this thing, it has way more than it was designed for and just keeps on going. It’s not a loader tractor and it is 2 wheel drive. This may be why it’s held up so well.
I want to refurbish it sometime in the future. I’ve just bought a JD 5425 about 4 or 5 months ago so l will have time to take the 485 out of service for a few months when l get ready to refurbish it. Been a great tractor, it’s a 1990 model.
Hope you get used to your 585 it should serve you well.

 

[rScotty]

Remember that the MFWD is just to be used when you need an assist. It's not to be used all the time and especially not with anything heavy in the FEL bucket. Just use it when you have to and it will last forever.

Gear transmissions are just a matter of learning how. When it comes time to do any field work like mowing, haying, plowing, and such where you do at the same speed for long stretches then you will be glad of the manual transmission. Yes, they are not as handy for loader work, but what you have is a field tractor with a loader, not a dedicated earth moving loader tractor. Those come higher.

Get some time on it. I think you will like it.
rScotty

 

[Farmer495]

Hello,
i just bought a case ih 585 4wd with a 2250 loader. I have had it for a couple months now. I bought the tractor sight unseen which I regret. My research into the model at the time looked good as I didnt see any negative reviews initially. The thing it seems to have going for it the most is that they seem to be very reliable.

My dad went and looked at it for me as it was a couple hours away and he happened to be in the area.. Wish I would have went and test drove as after I got it and drove it I was turned off at the awkwardness of the ergonomics. The tractor is challenging to shift from gear to gear, It has no shuttle which is really challenging for loader/ grading work. Also it seems as the tractor was made for people at least 6' tall which I am not. Also I can not get the 3pt to stay in a postion its either on its way up or down(possibly this is something that could be fixed?)

It seems to be in pretty good shape other then none of the gauges/ lights working... I am trying to figure that out. It has new front tires, and the tractor was recently repainted. It starts very easily and seems to run good.

I paid $16,000 for it which seemed very high although I have been researching more and more and it seems this is not crazy for todays prices. do y'all think that I could resell the tractor for this amount? Should I keep and contnue to adjust. I am starting to get use to and appreciate it more.

The tractor is for me to mantain 32 acres with 18 in pasture. I have some hilly land that I work. The tractor is needed for various loader work, driveway maitnence, and hay making/square baling.

Does anybody have expierence with the case 585? What are your thoughts/expeirence with it?


Please excuse me if I posted this in the wrong forum, moderators are welcome to move it to appropriate category.

I spend a lot of time on that basic tractor. Currently have a 495 on the place, next series newer and 10 less HP.

The 4 speed lever is syncronized, shift on the fly using the clutch. The range lever is L-H-R since you don't have the column mounted shuttle lever.

For loader work, set the speed transmission in say 4th, then just use the Range lever to change direction, forward is L, backwards is reverse, basically a LH shuttle lever as the speeds are about the same. You have to clutch the range lever and be completely stopped to shift grind free, hold tractor with the brake while shifting.

I've loaded hundreds of loads of manure and thousands of round bales with that transmission. It's simple, durable and works well.
I've bales thousands of square and round bales with that transmission too. It's gear nice for baling, easy shifts on the fly and IPTO makes baling real easy as no stopping to put baler in and out of gear.

3pt hitch you have to have the draft lever (square knob) pushed all the way forward, then use the position control lever (round knob) to lift and lower. If you use the draft lever it will go up and down all the way like you mention.

If the tractor has the OEM suspension seat, it can be lowered using the lever in the middle (long handle with slots)

Lights / gauges might be a fuse, panel is behind the gauges under the battery cover.

 

[Jrasband]

Sounds like I need to spend some time on it and it will grow on me. There are things that I really like about the tractor. I was having massey remorse as that it is most of my expierence before(a lot on a 1160 then I think it was a 451).

I am looking forward to hooking up to the square baler this year!

Thanks for letting me know about the MFWD I have heard that and it is good to have the reminder.

I dont have a enclosed space yet to work on the tractor so working on it will be pretty minimal. I am planning on changing fluids and at least getting the rpm gauge to work so I know what 540 is.

 

[Jrasband]

I spend a lot of time on that basic tractor. Currently have a 495 on the place, next series newer and 10 less HP.

The 4 speed lever is syncronized, shift on the fly using the clutch. The range lever is L-H-R since you don't have the column mounted shuttle lever.

For loader work, set the speed transmission in say 4th, then just use the Range lever to change direction, forward is L, backwards is reverse, basically a LH shuttle lever as the speeds are about the same. You have to clutch the range lever and be completely stopped to shift grind free, hold tractor with the brake while shifting.

I've loaded hundreds of loads of manure and thousands of round bales with that transmission. It's simple, durable and works well.
I've bales thousands of square and round bales with that transmission too. It's gear nice for baling, easy shifts on the fly and IPTO makes baling real easy as no stopping to put baler in and out of gear.

3pt hitch you have to have the draft lever (square knob) pushed all the way forward, then use the position control lever (round knob) to lift and lower. If you use the draft lever it will go up and down all the way like you mention.

If the tractor has the OEM suspension seat, it can be lowered using the lever in the middle (long handle with slots)

Lights / gauges might be a fuse, panel is behind the gauges under the battery cover.

Wow thanks for commenting! I am thankful to have a tractor that will hopefully be trouble free.

So for the Ipto(independent pto?) I can move the lever back and forth without pushing the clutch in?

The tractor does not have the OEM tractor seat, it is a aftermarket seat on top of the OEM( I assume) seat bracket. It looks like the standard aftermarket seat available at Tractor Supply. The seat has a spring underneath it and has up down adjustment but it is rusted out. I wrapped a rope around from above to below compressing the spring to lower the seat a couple inches. I also have a 2x wood block with a hose clamp on the clutch and gas pedal.\

I want to modify the seat to go a couple inches down and forward and was thinking about removing the spring. Does the original seat have a spring with it?

 

[Farmer495]

Wow thanks for commenting! I am thankful to have a tractor that will hopefully be trouble free.

So for the Ipto(independent pto?) I can move the lever back and forth without pushing the clutch in?

The tractor does not have the OEM tractor seat, it is a aftermarket seat on top of the OEM( I assume) seat bracket. It looks like the standard aftermarket seat available at Tractor Supply. The seat has a spring underneath it and has up down adjustment but it is rusted out. I wrapped a rope around from above to below compressing the spring to lower the seat a couple inches. I also have a 2x wood block with a hose clamp on the clutch and gas pedal.\

I want to modify the seat to go a couple inches down and forward and was thinking about removing the spring. Does the original seat have a spring with it?

They were considered a very nice tractor when they were new, really a premium model at the time in my opinion.

The tach is just a cable drive off the front of the engine, no wiring needed. If the needle doesn't move the cable might be broken.

IPTO (right of seat, yellow knob) can be engaged or disengaged while tractor is moving, very nice for baling, and since it's a nice hyd engage you can feather it into gear gently unlike some others I've used.

OEM seat is this, has damper strut and spring, very comfy. Likely someone removed the whole thing on you and put something on that doesn't work right.

I had just put new cushions on in the photo. My feet sit flat on the foot boards, my wife is shorter than me and her feet are flat and no blocks on the pedals

 

[LouNY]

That is a good heavy duty utility tractor. That front axle is fairly substanial and it has planetary reduction units.
Also the front drive has a multi disc wet clutch for engaging it.
Yes for your IPTO you can engage or disengage it at any time with no need to use the clutch,
as a matter of fact the tractors clutch will have absolutly no affect on it.
As farmer 495 said for any back and forth work just use the range transmission low and reverse as a shuttle,
coming to a full stop unless you wish to backup in a different gear then you were using forward.
Enjoy your tractor.

 

[rScotty]

I like those seats with a damper and spring. Our old JD has similar sort of system and it is nice. Maybe you can find an original one, but then again I do keep threatening to put a Grammar air seat on everything we own.

On the PTO, I always use the clutch to ease the load on the PTO.
Probably because I like to think of our tractors as draft horses, not race horses.
rScotty

 

[LouNY]

On an independent PTO the tractors main clutch is not linked to the PTO in any way.

 

[rScotty]

On an independent PTO the tractors main clutch is not linked to the PTO in any way.

That's right. Does that mean that the PTO on the Case doesn't have its own clutch? I guess I thought that since our JD has a PTO clutch that others did as well.

 

[LouNY]

Yes it has it's own clutch pack actuated by hydraulics.

 

[Farmer495]

That's right. Does that mean that the PTO on the Case doesn't have its own clutch? I guess I thought that since our JD has a PTO clutch that others did as well.

85 series IPTO is wet clutch pack, own separate lever, nice smooth engagement if you move lever slow, or instant engagement if you move it fast. You can disengage instantly at full engine RPM with no affect on travel speed. I usually let off RPM to engage, but it can be engaged smoothly with engine at PTO speed if wanted.

You can also "slip" the PTO, by holding it part way, but not real reason to do that.

 

[Bearsixty7]

..You can also "slip" the PTO, by holding it part way, but not real reason to do that.

We had the previous versions that were IH 464's and 574, they actually had a notch or stepped "START" position just forward of the OFF position that was where you moved the PTO lever to to GENTLY start the PTO spinning. Once it was up to speed you pushed the lever completely forward to the ON position. These newer models don't have that?

 

[CADplans]

Try not to be too critical about the seat height/location,,
when it operates correctly,, that high seat actually has a function for you.

I have a similar high seat,, and I always wondered why the tractor was designed for a minimum 6'7" person.
I recently read about the JD similar model, it has a seat like this.

The purpose of the seat is to assist the operator in changing from a seated to a standing position, and back.
Apparently, there are tractor operations that require frequent changes from seated, to standing..

I currently have a nice replacement seat that does that exact function.

Set the seat to the operators weight, and height,
the seat functions perfectly moving the operator with assist from seated to standing, effortlessly.
When you sit down, the seat is supposed to lower by body weight, then rise as you attempt to get up.
Sorta like a handicapped lift chair, but, no need to push a button, and wait for the actuator.
I think the seat will move over 6 inches in height travel.
It is nice when you sit down, and the seat contacts you, lowering you easily, the rest of the way.

My seat came from Welcome to KAB Seating , but, I do not see my model there now.
I did buy my seat 15 years ago, and it still works like the day I installed it.

I have the 584, with the 2250 loader,, and have owned it for 25 years.
I had to replace the sending unit to get the temp gauge working,, that was a trick finding one that matched the gauge,, but, with an ohm meter, I was able to determine the right sending unit,, that only cost about $12.

My fuel gauge is a little "WONKEY",, but, I know when to get fuel.
My AMP "idiot light" has always functioned perfectly.
The "one wire" self exciting alternator has to get some RPM's up to start charging.
That is normal for that type alternator.

I have the identical IPTO,, and the big difference I see is that my 4 gears are in a row,, straight,
instead of the "H" pattern on the 585.

When I drive the 1/2 mile to my daughters, the 4 gears shift by simply depressing the clutch.
Those four gears are fully synchronized.
You do not have to start out in high gear,,
It sorta sounds like a diesel sports car going through the gears.
I know the sound of the tractor drives a couple of my neighbors crazy,,
They have even mentioned how nicely the machine goes through the gears, and accelerates.
That transmission would be amazing at pulling a trailer,,

If you can not get the tach to work,
something as simple as a Briggs & Stratton 19200 Tachometer should easily tell you PTO speed.
That tach will mechanically allow you to know the engine speed of a particular throttle setting.
I have that tach for use with garden tractors.

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After you use the tractor 5-10 times, you will "know" where to set 540RPM pto speed.

 

[Bearsixty7]

..I have the 584, with the 2250 loader,, and have owned it for 25 years.

I love seeing those tractors! That would be a size up and the next gen from the 574 we had. Very rare were 4wd around area in SW. MO.

 

[Farmer495]

We had the previous versions that were IH 464's and 574, they actually had a notch or stepped "START" position just forward of the OFF position that was where you moved the PTO lever to to GENTLY start the PTO spinning. Once it was up to speed you pushed the lever completely forward to the ON position. These newer models don't have that?

There is the notch but it's not labelled start, sort of a zig zag and then you hook the lever around a notch. Part way does the soft start aspect. The lever is spring loaded so it goes back to off so you can't leave it partway engaged.