I just acquired a Case 446 tractor from a friend. His Dad bought it new in 1978. The machine has hydrostatic drive, 3 point hitch, mid mount mower, snowblower, cultivator, single furrow plow, rototiller, lawn sweeper and wheel weights. The engine is gas and is a 16 HP onan. The first thing I thought when I saw it is ... this is the grandfarher of our modern SCUTs. Amazingly like an old version of my BX 1800 and it's still running even with a gas engine after 30 years. If the 446 can last 30 years (and from what I read on the net it will probably be running years from now) our modern SCUTs should last as long or longer. Anyone know anything about the Case 446. Interesting the fluid that is used in the hydraulic system is engine oil.
Soundguy
Old Timer
- Joined
- Mar 11, 2002
- Messages
- 52,424
- Location
- Central florida
- Tractor
- RK 55HC,ym1700, NH7610S, Ford 8N, 2N, NAA, 660, 850 x2, 541, 950, 941D, 951, 2000, 3000, 4000, 4600, 5000, 740, IH 'C' 'H', CUB, John Deere 'B', allis 'G', case VAC
I'm not sure i would lay much money on the averave scut lasting 30 years like the tractors of yesterday commonly do.. I think it's wishfull thinking.. though if they do, I will be happily surprised.
Engine oil in a hydro trans isn't that surprising. i have CAT heavy equipment from the 60's and 70's that specs sae 30w engine oil in the trannies..
soundguy
Engine oil in a hydro trans isn't that surprising. i have CAT heavy equipment from the 60's and 70's that specs sae 30w engine oil in the trannies..
soundguy
Botabill said:
RoyJackson
Rest in Peace
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2001
- Messages
- 24,646
- Location
- Bethel, Vermont
- Tractor
- John Deere 4052R Cab,, Deere 855D UTV, Z920A Zero Turn Mower and assorted implements
Would that Case really be considered a SCUT? I always thought it was a lawn and garden tractor.
escavader
Veteran Member
My friend HARRY owns one ,it has been one tough little tractor.He has owned it since the 70s .ITs primary function has been snow removal.Iused it several times to install my lawn.After borrowing it,it prompted me to buy my own-a modern bx-23.You didnt say loader did you? Harrys has a front end loader,which works great.No other attachments on his.Iwould love to see pics to show harry.Itryed to ask questions about it a while back.Couldnt find any one with one.He once told me a backhoe was available too.
ALAN
ALAN
Would that Case really be considered a SCUT? That's a good question. Well, as you know I own a Kubota BX 1800. I don't think there would be any question that the BX is a SCUT. The 446 is very similar to a BX though more primitive. It doesn't have 4 wheel drive but I don't think that eliminates it from the SCUT category. Mine doesn't have a FEL but some 446s do and some BXs don't. Weight is less in the 446 but again is that a line that makes or breaks a SCUT. Some 446 tractors have a hydraulic three point hitch (mine does) albeit a 0 category as opposed to a category 1 one on my BX. Essentially the 446 can do anything that a BX can do though with less power. My 446 has a hydraulic take off at the back for the rototiller but no power take off. Is a 446 a scut.... hmmmmm I don't know what really separates a SCUT from a CUT or garden tractor. Any suggestions?
oliver28472
Veteran Member
I think those were made by Ingersol Rand.
Tractors4u
Elite Member
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2002
- Messages
- 2,540
- Location
- Athens Alabama
- Tractor
- Deere 4310, Kubota L355, John Deere SST18 Spin Steer, 2006 Polaris Ranger
I think their longevity is due to their simplicity. I have no doubt that the engine and transmission of my 2003 Deere 4310 will last a long time. However, what does concern me is everything else. The electric 4WD engagement, all the plastic, fuel switch solenoids. It's all those little convienences that I think are the weak points on todays tractors. There just wasn't that much to break on the old iron.
MrJimi
Elite Member, Rest in Peace
I was curious as to what it looked like and I found these
Case Garden Tractor - Repower - Ingersoll
SBA - 446 Case Tractor Items
casegardentractors : CASE- COLT- INGERSOLL GARDEN TRACTORS
Case Garden Tractor - Repower - Ingersoll
SBA - 446 Case Tractor Items
casegardentractors : CASE- COLT- INGERSOLL GARDEN TRACTORS
Will_C
Veteran Member
- Joined
- May 24, 2002
- Messages
- 1,786
- Location
- Upstate N.Y.
- Tractor
- Kubota L3560, Toro 52" and 60" ZTRs, Kubota RTV 900
They sure don't compare to today's SCUT's, but they were probably the closest thing 30 years ago. We had a 444 with a 14hp Kohler single cylinder engine, and a 448 with an 18hp Onan twin. They were also made with a FEL and a BH.
Will
Will
NY_Yankees_Fan
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2002
- Messages
- 2,209
- Tractor
- Kubota BX 2200
I had a 446 for 10 years before I upgraded to the BX2200 in 2002. I had a 60"mmm, snowblower and snow cab during the winter, rototiller, and a front blade. I sold the entire set up for $2500 and put that as a down payment on the BX.
Here are the differences between the two:
1. The BX cuts the lawn about 2 times faster and does a better job.
2. The rototiller on the 446 was slow and not heavy, as a result did not do a good job.
3. The BX uses a lot less fuel.
4. The 446 lost traction way before the BX does.
5. The attachments on the BX come off and on a lot easier then the 446.
6. They are both orange.
7. Both are built like a tank, and should last a very long time.
Here are the differences between the two:
1. The BX cuts the lawn about 2 times faster and does a better job.
2. The rototiller on the 446 was slow and not heavy, as a result did not do a good job.
3. The BX uses a lot less fuel.
4. The 446 lost traction way before the BX does.
5. The attachments on the BX come off and on a lot easier then the 446.
6. They are both orange.
7. Both are built like a tank, and should last a very long time.
Thanks for your observations NY_Yankees_Fan. By the way... Where do you weigh in on the question "Is the Case 446 a bonafide SCUT"? I find is really amazing that the Case garden tractors as old as 30 year still have parts readily available and a devoted followoing. Here are a couple more interesting links I found casegardentractors.com
Case Garden Tractors By the way... Thanks Mr. Jimi for the links you posted.
Case Garden Tractors By the way... Thanks Mr. Jimi for the links you posted.
NY_Yankees_Fan
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2002
- Messages
- 2,209
- Tractor
- Kubota BX 2200
Bill,
The 446 is a great garden/lawn tractor, BUT it is no subcut. The BX does so many things much better then the 446 ever could. Cutting speed, use of many more attachments, 4 wd, more horse power, just to name a few.
I actually looked at a new Case because I could use the 446 rototiller, snowblower and cab on a new machine. Could have saved a lot of $$ on attachments. BUT the new Case was close in price to the BX and you got so much more tractor for the $ with the BX.
Do not get me wrong the Case was/is a great tractor, but the BX was just heads above in my view.
Here is another place to go for Case, a lot of knowledge folks here
http://www.mytractorforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21
The 446 is a great garden/lawn tractor, BUT it is no subcut. The BX does so many things much better then the 446 ever could. Cutting speed, use of many more attachments, 4 wd, more horse power, just to name a few.
I actually looked at a new Case because I could use the 446 rototiller, snowblower and cab on a new machine. Could have saved a lot of $$ on attachments. BUT the new Case was close in price to the BX and you got so much more tractor for the $ with the BX.
Do not get me wrong the Case was/is a great tractor, but the BX was just heads above in my view.
Here is another place to go for Case, a lot of knowledge folks here
http://www.mytractorforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21
Soundguy
Old Timer
- Joined
- Mar 11, 2002
- Messages
- 52,424
- Location
- Central florida
- Tractor
- RK 55HC,ym1700, NH7610S, Ford 8N, 2N, NAA, 660, 850 x2, 541, 950, 941D, 951, 2000, 3000, 4000, 4600, 5000, 740, IH 'C' 'H', CUB, John Deere 'B', allis 'G', case VAC
Back when that case was built.. where was that bx?
soundguy
soundguy
NY_Yankees_Fan
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2002
- Messages
- 2,209
- Tractor
- Kubota BX 2200
Soundguy said:
Well lets see, since Kubota invented the subcompact tractor, I guess in was in some Japanese kid nerd engineering type dreaming of tractors.
I'm still not sure what differentiates a SCUT from something less. The BX 1500, I think we would agree is a SCUT yet it has 1 HP less HP than a 446. Yes you could argue the 1500 is a diesel whereas the 446 is a gasser but is being diesel the line that determines SCUTs from Garden tractors or whatever? Hey don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the BX isn't more tractor than a 446 but the 446 is 30 years old. I'm just not sure what a SCUT is. .
I also wouldn't be quick to agree that the Japs invented the SCUT. There have been lots of small tractors around for many many years on many continents.
As you know I have a BX 1800 which I am very fond of. I've been having some fun comparing the 446 with my BX. There are remarkable similarities. I don't know who originated the similarities but it is interesting to note that Kubota bought out Onan, the manufacturer of the engine in the 446. I wonder what other inovations they bought , borrowed or Hmmmm...
I also wouldn't be quick to agree that the Japs invented the SCUT. There have been lots of small tractors around for many many years on many continents.
As you know I have a BX 1800 which I am very fond of. I've been having some fun comparing the 446 with my BX. There are remarkable similarities. I don't know who originated the similarities but it is interesting to note that Kubota bought out Onan, the manufacturer of the engine in the 446. I wonder what other inovations they bought , borrowed or Hmmmm...
gsganzer
Elite Member
- Joined
- Jun 11, 2003
- Messages
- 4,397
- Location
- Sunset, TX
- Tractor
- L3800 w/FEL and BH77, BX 2200 w/FEL and MMM
I used to be a member on the Yahoo Case garden tractor group, back when I owned my 446.
That group of folks is a lot like the folks here on TBN. Friendly and someone can always point you to parts, performing repairs, finding implements etc.
I believe there were the 444, 446, 448 and the models with loaders were the 646 and 648.
That group of folks is a lot like the folks here on TBN. Friendly and someone can always point you to parts, performing repairs, finding implements etc.
I believe there were the 444, 446, 448 and the models with loaders were the 646 and 648.
SkunkWerX
Platinum Member
I think the Hydraulically operated 3 Point Hitch is one of the factors differentiating between a Garden Tractor and CUT/SCUT?
I have the BX2350 and a Ford GT75. It is pretty obvious which is which.
I can bolt a lot of gizmos and attachemnts onto the GT75, but it will still be a Garden Tractor. But that doesn't make it bad, just engineered for different usage.
In recent years the lines have gotten quite blurred between Garden/SCUT and even CUT/SCUT.
Case in point: My Ford1210 was considered a Compact Tractor back in the mid-80s. 3 cyl deisel, 3 point hitch, geared tranny, no steel frame, the tranny housing was the frame.
So, I bought my BX2350, brought it home, and did a side x side comparison.
Wheel bases were virtually equal. OAL was about the same. Seat height the Ford was 1" taller than the BX. Both were 4wd, the new unit was hydro, the Ford was gear shifter. Both have Hi Lo gear range. Both have Diff Lock pedal.
The Ford1210's 3 cyl. diesel was rated at roughly 17hp, with about 13PTO hp. The BX is 23.5HP with 17PTO hp.
The BX looks much more compact than the 1210, but they were surprsingly similar sitting side x side when the tape measure was used.
My conclusion is that the BX2350 was called SubCompact based on some term developed by a marketing group. It is Kubota's way of differentiating the BX from the B series. So the BX's were called SUBCUT, because the term existed, where the Ford1210 was called Compact, because back in the early 80's, that was the only distinction they had made for a category between Garden and Full Size tractor. Just as the lines are blurred between Garden and SUBCUT, So are the lines between SUBCUT and CUT.
The Case 444/446/448 series is one of the age old models of Garden tractors aimed at the small hobby farmer/serious gardener , when there were really only Full Size tractors, and Garden tractors. It bridging the gap, giving some big tractor features, in a small package.
In some cases, we are talking about marketing terminology, such as with the Ford1210 and BX comparison. What makes my BX a SubCUT and the Ford1210 a CUT? A marketing term. But the BX has a cup-holder, so... game, set, match.
This is just my very general opinion, and a fairly quick way to draw a line, if we need to do so:
-A Garden Tractor doesn't have a 3 Point Hitch, more often the use a sleeve hitch or other proprietary fastening system for attachements.
-A SUBCUT usually has a limited CAT1 or CAT 0 3 Pt. hitch
-A CUT has a full-on CAT 1 hitch.
That is just a quick, off-the-cuff manner to make distinction between them. I'm sure there about 100 other factors that could be analyzed.
With all this said, the Case 446 is fine tractor, a fully-loaded Garden Tractor, very capable within it's range of operation. It can probably be looked at as a "classic".
I have the BX2350 and a Ford GT75. It is pretty obvious which is which.
I can bolt a lot of gizmos and attachemnts onto the GT75, but it will still be a Garden Tractor. But that doesn't make it bad, just engineered for different usage.
In recent years the lines have gotten quite blurred between Garden/SCUT and even CUT/SCUT.
Case in point: My Ford1210 was considered a Compact Tractor back in the mid-80s. 3 cyl deisel, 3 point hitch, geared tranny, no steel frame, the tranny housing was the frame.
So, I bought my BX2350, brought it home, and did a side x side comparison.
Wheel bases were virtually equal. OAL was about the same. Seat height the Ford was 1" taller than the BX. Both were 4wd, the new unit was hydro, the Ford was gear shifter. Both have Hi Lo gear range. Both have Diff Lock pedal.
The Ford1210's 3 cyl. diesel was rated at roughly 17hp, with about 13PTO hp. The BX is 23.5HP with 17PTO hp.
The BX looks much more compact than the 1210, but they were surprsingly similar sitting side x side when the tape measure was used.
My conclusion is that the BX2350 was called SubCompact based on some term developed by a marketing group. It is Kubota's way of differentiating the BX from the B series. So the BX's were called SUBCUT, because the term existed, where the Ford1210 was called Compact, because back in the early 80's, that was the only distinction they had made for a category between Garden and Full Size tractor. Just as the lines are blurred between Garden and SUBCUT, So are the lines between SUBCUT and CUT.
The Case 444/446/448 series is one of the age old models of Garden tractors aimed at the small hobby farmer/serious gardener , when there were really only Full Size tractors, and Garden tractors. It bridging the gap, giving some big tractor features, in a small package.
In some cases, we are talking about marketing terminology, such as with the Ford1210 and BX comparison. What makes my BX a SubCUT and the Ford1210 a CUT? A marketing term. But the BX has a cup-holder, so... game, set, match.
This is just my very general opinion, and a fairly quick way to draw a line, if we need to do so:
-A Garden Tractor doesn't have a 3 Point Hitch, more often the use a sleeve hitch or other proprietary fastening system for attachements.
-A SUBCUT usually has a limited CAT1 or CAT 0 3 Pt. hitch
-A CUT has a full-on CAT 1 hitch.
That is just a quick, off-the-cuff manner to make distinction between them. I'm sure there about 100 other factors that could be analyzed.
With all this said, the Case 446 is fine tractor, a fully-loaded Garden Tractor, very capable within it's range of operation. It can probably be looked at as a "classic".
Here are some similar links:
